Suppose you get falsely charged by the state because of your politics, what are you going to do? Get into armed conflict against the police officers coming to arrest you?

Is that what Steven Donziger should have done?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's not like armed insurgencies don't happen in modern countries. Look up the IRA. Even if you are not keen on blowing up billionaires, you can still shoot meal team six as they try to bring back lynching and the KKK.

That said, disarming the country including the police, especially the police, would be more conductive to a peaceful life. So would actual democratic representation.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So then the government just sends the military in to quell rebellions by unarmed/poorly-armed citizens.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, and they kill them and also some others, and some guy's wife. The guy takes up arms in revenge and the cycle continues.

It's not an open armed rebellion, it's constant terror attacks. How do you send in the military to quell a car bombing or an assassination?

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely not, I'm all for defunding the police but if your idea of a peaceful country doesn't involve someone owning and being willing to defend themselves with firearms you're just living in a fantasy where crime just magically doesn't exist.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In my part of the world, people grow up just fine without owning firearms. This whole gun worship is mostly a US thing.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

In your part of the world there's no cops, no one owns firearms, and there's just no crime?

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then you get your single shot rifle and storm the the king's palace with it, against a bunch of people with single shot rifles, kill them all, kill a king, all his family, and thus establish a military goverment. Because it's apparently it's 19th century now.

[–] Random_German_Name@feddit.de -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then you get your single shot rifle and storm the the king’s palace with it, against a bunch of people with single shot rifles, kill them all, kill a king, all his family

Sounds good

thus establish a military goverment.

Nah, I just defeated the military. I would prefer a less authoritarian system

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

When you killed everyone in a coup, you are by definition a new military. You might prefer less authoritarian system now, but all your friends who are running around with rifles trying to do a coup are in it for power, it's just how the selection process goes, for everyone bright eyed idealist who will immediately relinquish his absolute authority that he just won by fighting a civil war, there will be 10 people who fought in civil war to get this absolute authority.
We know that, because actually I deceived you earlier, it's not 19th century now, and we already saw how that happened. And also, both technologies and situations are different now

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 8 months ago

Also the final movie of the hunger games.

[–] Random_German_Name@feddit.de -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When you killed everyone in a coup

I didn‘t kill „everybody“. I killed the king, his family and his guards and maybe his ministers or generals

you are by definition a new military

No, I am a member of one of many militias

all your friends who are running around with rifles trying to do a coup are in it for power

Not all of them, but I understand what you mean

for everyone bright eyed idealist who will immediately relinquish his absolute authority that he just won by fighting a civil war, there will be 10 people who fought in civil war to get this absolute authority.

Yes. Thats how war works.

both technologies and situations are different now

Exactly

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

I didn‘t kill „everybody“. I killed the king, his family and his guards and maybe his ministers or generals

Not how civil wars work unfortunately

No, I am a member of one of many militias

Which makes you a part of the military power of the new rule. So yeah.

Yes. Thats how war works.

Yes. That's my point actually.

Exactly

Ok, but that's worse. You do get how that's worse, right?