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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

You have bikes and busses. Everyone does.

Of course the increase tax on carbon would directly fund giving poor people free bus tickets and bicycle maintenance

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Bikes and buses are great if you go from one central location to another central location.

Do you know how long bus routes are in rural counties? Imagine the logistics of trying to collect all the adults that want to get to work.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imagine the logistics of trying to collect all the adults that want to get to work.

we do pretty much this in my country

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

I would love to see this.

[–] SinJab0n@mujico.org 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Im gonna say something completely resonable and yet sound like a crazy person cause u lot love cars so much.

TRAINS, u can make it like the ones in the rural areas of germany which works almost like a bus.

Shit, i live in a god damn 3rd world country and i can't belive we have better public transport than u.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I live in a city that has 'good' transit by North American standards. It's 25km from my house to the office, and takes about half an hour to drive. If I were to take the supposedly 'good' transit, it would take 2 hours each way. That would mean that both my spouse and I would leave home before our kids even wake up, so they would have to manage getting themselves out of bed, fed, and off to school with no parent in the house, we would get home far too late to take them to any extracurricular activities, never mind making sure they eat healthy home cooked meals. I could move closer to the office, but then my COL would increase by 2-3X, meaning that all the good stuff I can afford for them now would become too expensive.

So sure, I have transit, but it's fucking useless.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 8 months ago

So let's tax carbon so more people are forced to take busses and trains and it gets better for everyone

[–] SinJab0n@mujico.org 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

'good' transit by North American standards.

Thats the problem. Ask the goverment for some public transport for gods sake.

Edit just to show u how weak u r ; https://mujico.org/pictrs/image/d0b86a68-d9f5-49f8-9578-b58e6c1e1c5c.jpeg

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

To get to my job it would require several miles of biking followed by an hour bus trip. We don't just "all have" the ability to take busses and bikes everywhere. Plus during none of that time do I have access to a bike lane, so I'd be just praying I don't get run over by some dick head

[–] LoamImprovement@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I live in rural Washington state. The nearest bus station from where I work is a two mile walk. The nearest bus station from where I live is a three mile walk. I live twenty miles from where I work. Biking and Bussing simply aren't feasible.

I like bikes and busses. We don't need bikes and busses to solve this problem, we need telecommuting and walkable communities.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I dont see how you can be so obtuse.

If gas was just $6/hr then there would be a ton of demand for busses. So the bus routes would expand to all the people in your area. And it would be easy to fund because the rich would be subsidizing it.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They'd rather just leave you to suffer in poverty paying $6/gal, neither telecommuting nor busses.

Market solutions don't work. We need to do this by force.

[–] Hextubewontallowme@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wdym, via the law of the maximums au bon Robespierre?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Via cybernetics. We have the computing power to abolish the market.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You started this chain claiming an unreasonable $20 minimum.
Now you're calling people obtuse? Lmao

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah we should definitely be at $20 by now. Carbon taxing should have started increasing in the 1980s