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[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is quite literally implying "both sides actually same!"

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's addressing the concept of demonization, a la Israel and Palestine. It's via these mechanisms that other people are dehumanized.

Not Karen v Karen at the pta meeting.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

"Glorious leader" sure sounds like a pretty direct reference to the Kim dynasty.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Aww yes enlightened centralism

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Miss.

Again it's about any group demonizing another.

The process of generating the "subhuman" other based on misinformation.

It's not about holding people to their honest record.

Playing the middle and saying "both sides" is completely different than what this image is displaying.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Miss.

Again it is about exactly what I said. "Our glorious leader" is not about other people it is both sideism.

It's about playing both sideism.

What side are you on in Russia-Ukraine? No question dodging "enlightened centralist".

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If your whole view is just shit reposted on Lemmy about American politics sure.

You're just exposing your field of vision.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What side are you on in Russia-Ukraine? No question dodging “enlightened centralist”.

Miss. Again.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What? I never said that.

Misquote = block cya

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

I said it. I asked you a question and you aren't answering it.

Miss again.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can you talk without using buzzwords and pop-quizzes on irrelevant shit?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

After we stop pretending that the morally superior view is one where everyone is equally awful.

Being sympathetic I get what the picture is trying to convey. Really ask yourself if different is worse or is it just different.

Being realistic it smells of in every conflict everyone involved is evil. And that simply is not always true. Giving a real world example is the invasion of the Ukraine. There is no both sides in this. One is a democracy the other is a dictatorship. One is defending their homeland and the other is invading. One of it loses is looking at genocide and the other if it loses has some egg on their face. They are not the same.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

So far all you've figured out is that this meme must not be about Ukraine then! And yet you're still talking about it. You only want to disagree. That's why you're posting. That's why you're responding to me. That's why you're here. You want to disagree with shit to feel intellectually superior, and the hilarious part is that you are disagreeing with something on the grounds that they just a make a ploy at intellectual superiority! And by the way, calling this "enlightened centrism" just for the purposes of disagreeing with it is actually making a strawman, not whatever that other comment was.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah yeah I suck get in line and take a number. At least I am not a Putin stooge.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Please point to literally anyone in this thread that is defending Putin or trying to say it's about "both sides" in that war specifically.

Here, I can do it. I can do the magical thing that you want:

Putin bad. Russian invasion of Ukraine bad.

I'll go even further:

Netanyahu bad. Palestinian genocide bad.

Also, and you'll be shocked to hear that multiple things can be true at the same time:

Xenophobia bad.

Is that... what you wanted?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Holy shit, you read the first sentence and just fired that off, didn't you?

You have to keep reading.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

"No." what? "No." you won't keep reading beyond the first sentence, or "No." you didn't fire that off after only reading the first sentence? Those are contradictory.

But I'm not going to play dumb. I know your terse responses are to signal that you aren't taking me seriously and you're treating my words with contempt. I get it.

But the weird thing is that you're all over this thread challenging people to disavow putin, and the moment somebody does, you won't even acknowledge it. Is that because you put so much stock in the idea that we're enlightened centrists that you didn't actually bother to form a coherent thought beyond that?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 0 points 7 months ago

I know that. Is this you giving up on the argument but still needing to get the last word? If you don't want to talk you can just stop replying. Continuing to reply without really saying anything is just exposing how little you really have to say.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the runaway Reddit train of: "Anyone who sees anything in the world as more than plain good vs evil is evil"

Like most subreddits, what started as an interesting idea (calling out people who supported fascism by saying anti-fascism was as bad as it) devolved into an absolutely moronic circlejerk (anyone who says anything is the same as anything else is a bot).

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Because it isn't always true? Sometimes you government just has regular levels of suck while the other government is really awful. I am confident that the South Korean government has room for improvement I am not willing to put them on the same level as North Korea. Plus you can look at migration flows. There is a reason why some countries have people willing to risk death to get into and other countries people are trying to get out of.