this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2024
548 points (98.6% liked)

politics

19089 readers
3639 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

100Mbps is still very slow. Much better than 25Mbps, but still slow.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I have symmetric 1Gbps and do a LOT of data transfer (compared to 99.99% of people). And even then I rarely really would need or even notice more than 100Mbps.

For most people, in the real world, why is 100Mbps "very slow"?

[–] michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Because downloading large files takes hours instead of minutes

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The vast majority of people are not downloading multi GB files frequently

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

I use to think that until I spent a bit of time with a gamer. 75Gig updates etc... the fuck is in those game ! The whole Netflix library?

So Games, 4K videos etc...

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

This isn’t really true. An HD movie on Netflix/Hulu/Prime/etc is multi GB. It just doesn’t need to download fast, because anything faster than the bitrate of the movie won’t be perceptible.

But there are also games on platforms like Steam, Epic, PlayStation, etc. These are often very large.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For context, a 4K Blu-ray disc has a maximum transfer rate of 144 Mbps. Most streaming services are compressing much more heavily than that. Closer to 20 or 40 Mbps, depending on the service. They tend to be limited by managing datacenter bandwidth, not end user connections.

While I get that people hate having to download big games over 100Mbps, it's something you do once and then play the game for weeks.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

So build the capability and people will use it when they need it. My point still stands that 100Mbps is slow, even if most people are fine with it day to day.

Also, for a family of four, that would mean only 2 of them would be able to watch a 40Mbps HD stream at once. I get that that is relatively rare for 3 people in a family to want to stream at that speed at the same time, but I wouldn’t call something fast if it can’t support even that.

(YouTube recommends a bitrate of 68Mbps for 4K 60fps content and 45Mbps for 4K 30fps. Higher when using HDR.)

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Where I'm going with this is that there are much more important things than going significantly over 100Mbps. Quality of service, latency, jumbo MTU sizes, and IPv6 will affect you in many more practical ways. The bandwidth number tends to be used as a proxy (consciously or not) for overall quality issues, but it's not a very good one. That's how we'll end up with 1Gbps connections that will lag worse than a 10Mbps connection from 2003.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just updates running in the background use an enormous amount, let alone full game downloads.

Twitch and Youtube use a decent amount per hour as well.

[–] ButtCheekOnAStick@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tell that to my torrent box 😎

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You are not the majority of people

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A file large enough to take hours, plural, at 100Mbps is more than 90GB. Doing that regularly is definitely not normal usage.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Tell that to everyone who has played a Rockstar game.

[–] michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Average 4K BDRIP movie is 60 GB, average AAA game is 60-100+ GB. So you are saying that watching movie once a week and downloading one game is not normal? Using 1 GBit Internet means saving 3-6 hours of time per week.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Watching movies and playing AAA games is normal, sure.

Downloading 4K BDRIPs and a new AAA game every week definitely isn't. Most people probably stream their movies, and even those prone to pirating their content are likely downloading re-encoded copies, not full sized BDRIPs.

On top of that, it's not like you have to sit there and wait for it. You're only really saving that time if it's time you were going to spend sitting and staring at your download progress instead of doing something else.

I'm not saying edge cases don't exist where someone would notice a real difference in having >100Mbps, but it's just that, an edge case.

[–] michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago

Most of the time, the idea to watch a film comes to me quite suddenly, so I have to wait until the film is at least partially downloaded before I start watching it. And even downloading an app from the repository takes 10 times less time. And 1000 MBps internet is only 5-10 euros more expensive than 100 MBps.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Because downloading GTA V takes 2 1/2 hours at 100Mbps, and 14 minutes at 1Gbps.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's amazing how much our views change with time. My dad was definitely a super early adopter of cable when it became available in our area, if I recall it was 16 Mbps which was unreal to me in 2002. I made do with 5 Mbps in uni and it was totally usable.

But now, I've had 1Gbps for years and wow it's so different, changes your habits too. I don't hoard installed games as much, I can pull them down in minutes so why keep something installed if I'm not going to use it?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I remember thinking, “How am I ever going to fill this 100MB hard drive? That’s so much space!” That was some time around 1997, I think.