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States push ‘fetal personhood’ bills despite outrage at Alabama IVF ruling
(www.theguardian.com)
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Even if a fetus a person, it doesn't actually mean what they seem to think it means.
There's no law stating one person is required to donate blood, organs, or even time and effort, to save the life of another person.
So a fetus is a person now. That doesn't give it the right to take anything from its mother against her will.
Ib4 they reach the end game and pass a law for mandatory organ donation and start harvesting the organs of the poor for the rich.
I wouldn't even be against mandatory organ donation so long as it went to those who've been waiting on the donor list. So many more lives could be saved. At the very least make it opt out.
Mandatory organ donation is an awful idea that 100% would be misused and exploited.
Maybe, the first few year but the good outweigh the bad very quickly
Huh? What do you think would happen after the first few years to change anything? We have millions of homeless people, and about half of the country don't view those people as human. Now combine that with an entire class of uber-wealthy sociopaths who are willing to do literally anything to save themselves from an illness and/or prolong their own life...
Throw mandatory organ donation into that pot, and baby you got a stew going... What do you think would happen in that scenario? It's actually basic supply and demand. A massive supply of organs belonging to a group who's seen as less than human, and a demand for new organs by the wealthy....
I feel like that's a recipe for something, but I just can't put my finger on what exactly.
Maybe you can help. What do you think is the next logical step in a situation like that? Do you think the wealthy folks suddenly change and decide to accept their mortality and donate their wealth to house those homeless people and everyone lives happily ever after? Wouldn't that be fun?
If there was actual accountability and no way to cheat, it would be a giant positive for humanity but you go ahead and rant and rave.
The counter argument to 'bodily autonomy' is that not donating blood or organs is a passive act, while an abortion is an active one.
I don't agree, just putting it out there.
Wow, is this actually their argument? Wild.
"You weren't actively having your blood and organs harvested, so saying no to that is okay. But that fertilized egg you are carrying against your will? Well..."
Back in 2000 AD, Right To Life President George W. Bush came up with a compromise that allowed some embryonic stem cells to be used in research, because some embryos are more equal than others...
So is shooting someone raping you and it’s still legal because you get to control what someone else does to your body.
We cannot even harvest organs from a deceased anonymous person without their permission. A corpse has more body autonomy than a woman