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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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Real-world CO2 emissions of cars are 20% higher than indicated. For plug-in hybrids they are 250% higher. (climate.ec.europa.eu)

submitted 7 months ago by hanrahan@slrpnk.net to c/collapse@lemmy.ml

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EDIT: the article is from the European Commission. This thing comes from a serious study based on hard facts and data. Check this comment by @wooster, who reported the data

It's not a typo: plug-in hybrids are used, in real word cases, with ICE much more than anticipated.

In the EU, fuel consumption monitoring devices are required on new cars. They studied over 10% of all cars sold in 2021 and turns out they use way more fuel, and generate way more CO2, than anybody thought.

The gap means that CO2 emissions reduction objectives from transport will be more difficult to reach.

Thruth is, we need less cars, not "better" cars.

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[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trams and trains exist..

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sadly collapse made them highly unreliable in Germany.

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Ive heard some stuff about germany...

Here in Greece though, a year ago 57 people (~mainly students returning to their university city) died in a train collision with another train...

There are almost no safety measures in trains here.. On the disaster above, it was 2 trains running at high speed on the same track against each other for like 10minutes.. The government kinda tried and still tries to cover it up. It is said the other train carried illegal oil for fire or something (that's why the collision caused a huge explosion). About a year later courts are being held and the government tries to do almost everything on their power to blame it to someone else or just bury the case...

(Trains in Greece ~no longer belong to public sector btw.)

2nd edit: It is very touching though that this made people this year and a year before go out and protest on the streets. Not a small protest, but huuuge protests with enormous attendance. This year even more went (including me).

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

We have had some train accidents in the last few years as well. When things fall apart loss of lives are part of the parcel.

What is (still) surprising is to see Seneca's cliff in action. Not looking forward to the next quarter century.

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

Well then it's a good thing that no one ever dies in car accidents! /s