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[–] Zpiritual@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really don't get China being seen as a communist state. At this point it's a straight up fascist dictatorship.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup. There's basically never been a true communist state. Theyve all been dictatorships that attempt to establish communism. Which is a long drawn out process. The dictatorship gets entreched and never really gives up power.

The ruling class/wealthy if a country will never willingly agree to communism. They have too much to lose. So it always happens by revolution, which will always have a strong military leader to succeed. Human nature makes this always play out in a similar fashion regardless of that leaders initial intent.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago

yeah communism will never work, at least for more then a year.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The political climate in china is a lot more complicated than we in the west generally understand. I've been trying to wrap my head around a lot of the pro-china stuff I see in online left spaces. I don't feel prepared to make any for or against points in regard to China, but when you start asking more precise questions about Chinese government and society it becomes easier to see the bigger picture. Economically, they're very odd, but a lot closer to a socialist economy than the US or Europe is. My biggest criticisms are social issues, the Uyghur concentration camps, LGBT rights, the COVID lockdowns, etc. But to simply call them fascist is incorrect

[–] Zpiritual@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So what reforms have they enacted the last decades that could be considered socialist. To me the chinese communist party seem closer aligned with the ideals and actions of the NSDAP.