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Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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Real-world CO2 emissions of cars are 20% higher than indicated. For plug-in hybrids they are 250% higher. (climate.ec.europa.eu)

submitted 7 months ago by hanrahan@slrpnk.net to c/collapse@lemmy.ml

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EDIT: the article is from the European Commission. This thing comes from a serious study based on hard facts and data. Check this comment by @wooster, who reported the data

It's not a typo: plug-in hybrids are used, in real word cases, with ICE much more than anticipated.

In the EU, fuel consumption monitoring devices are required on new cars. They studied over 10% of all cars sold in 2021 and turns out they use way more fuel, and generate way more CO2, than anybody thought.

The gap means that CO2 emissions reduction objectives from transport will be more difficult to reach.

Thruth is, we need less cars, not "better" cars.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 7 months ago

Hybrids do involve extra parts, but the wear/tear is split across the drivetrains to an extent.

Think if you have a set of regular "all season" tires and a set of winter tires. You have twice as many tires but the wear is split across the sets.

Of course you aren't splitting it to that degree, but you aren't just wearing 2x the parts either. In particularly, the Toyota hybrid system at least has been proven to be highly reliable. Part of this is the highly reliable transmission (eCVT) they use and some other parts (like the traditional starter motor) that aren't needed.

This article explains it a little: https://inhabitat.com/hybrids-are-more-reliable-than-gas-cars-in-recent-report/