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At this point neither of them have seen how it was in Soviet union.
They know from their parents and grandparents. Source: I am rather in the parent category.
Yeah, all these sources pushing communism aren't telling them how the Bolsheviks killed everybody that knew how to do anything: farmers, lawyers, doctors because they were deemed part of the problem, probably because they were the only ones saying "this is a bad idea."
Then the soviets were back in the dark ages, and only got up to speed because of Germany fucking with them in WW2, and not accounting for the winter. So they were saved by the winter, and Stalin, under threat, threw everyone into the machine.
Millions of the workers were being killed - overworked to death - to get the Soviet war machine up to snuff in factories producing ammo, weapons, planes, whatever. No food, no water, just munitions to fight Germany, then to build bomb, then space flight, the. Collapse.
But, to be fair, all that stuff crippled the US too. In 1970, when everything started going tits up, that's when it caught up with us, and we're still paying the bill with ious to the Chinese. When those loans come to call, there will probably be another revolution, or at least war because some asshole is going to say "Look what China is doing to us."
You can support communism without supporting Marxist-Leninism or Bolshevism.
Yeah, ok. Maybe if we got an AI to run everything.
If I spent the time to dump the human boss off my back, I would not turn around and give that power to a computer. Worker controlled labor puts the power in workers' hands.
Computers can help with communication of needs, but power should stay with workers.
But the power is not with the workers, it's with a representative body. And in a perfect union, the body would be able to consider and weigh workers needs with production costs. So why not let a computer do it?
As AI gets more involved in decision making, the politics of AI will become a big point I think. Reponsibility, accountability, and maybe something resembing rights, or maybe access capacities. It may be a tool, but it is gaining something like an agency. So the polics of AI might be communist one.
As someone from postsoviet state, I could not agree more. Those pushing soviet union as example of comunist project are really not doing any good for the comunist projext.