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Findings cast doubt on the existence of Jesus Christ (www.alternet.org)
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[-] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Nash papyrus

Gabriels Revelation

Polybius history

Tacitus' history

There are also countless surviving frescoes, statues, carvings and monuments from the period that had every chance to record, you know, miracles.

[-] Hypx@fedia.io 3 points 5 months ago

Those are a handful of fragmentary texts. That actual proves my point.

You are conflating the biblical version of Jesus and the historical version of him. The mythicist position has always been that neither existed, but the historical view has always been that the latter (and only the latter) existed.

[-] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I would disagree.

You would need positive evidence for your claim, saying the biblical Jesus doesn't exist in neither important nor mundane records does not prove anything.

And claiming that because the miracles aren't mentioned in any records is evidence of a historical Jesus is also false.

What is commonly meant by the claim that a historical Jesus could exist, is that it would be entirely banale for a mundane historical Jesus to exist. Meaning we can't disprove him, and so current best practice to assume he did, just like all the other Jeushas, Marks, and Petruses we never hear about.

That is however not proof a historical Jesus did exist, it is just the working assumption when we can't possibly tell.

And the post here puts doubt on that assumption, as there has been proof that stories where attributed to the Jesus character, and he might only be as real as Superman or Kilroy.

[-] Hypx@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago

Those are generic Mythicist arguments. You lose credibility by even using such lazy and unoriginal ones. The fundamental problem is that it makes it impossible to demonstration that virtually anyone in history has ever existed because the burden of proof is set so high.

[-] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

My credibility isn't on the table, You made the claim, the burden to back it up on you. Thus far you've offered assertions, question begging and ad hominem attacks, do you have any actual evidence for your position?

[-] Hypx@fedia.io -1 points 5 months ago

This is not a new debate. It is been around for decades, and historical scholars have pretty much dismissed the mythicist position ages ago. The fact is that there is textual evidence of a historical Jesus, enough for historical scholars to conclude that there was one. In response, mythicists have resorted to dismissing all such evidence as being insufficient. Everything is a fake or forgery according to them.

The result is an argument that can be used against any person from history, until you can dismiss virtually all of history as being not real. That's the problem with your argument. It has very little credibility because of that history.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Just like how historical spider-man existed, but the comic version didn't, right?

Don't do religion, kids.

[-] Hypx@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You’re just another brain dead mythicist. Might as well claim all historical figures are comic book characters.

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