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The only valid argument against typescript is that it is too similar to vanilla JavaScript. It does not go far enough. We need type systems like Ocaml's.
I suppose you can also complain about needing a build step, but I find this silly. There are so many tools that make this easy or automatic.
What's so special about Ocaml's type system?
I won't remember everything, but one very important things comes to mind:
in Typescript, it is very difficult to assert on a type (let me know if you're not familiar with what I mean by this and I can explain further). In OCaml, this is trivial using pattern matching.
Why would you need that? The idea of a type system is it doesn't let you apply a function on a structure without the structure being of the right type. But the lack of type assertion in TS makes people follow hacky workarounds, which defeat the purpose of type system.
There are a couple of other things, like immutable types by default, automatic tail call optimization, functors enabling higher kinded types, etc.
Also in ocaml, you don't have to annotate any types on any variable or parameter, and you'll still get full type protection.
Oh, so what you're describing is strong typing. I thought it was a unique feature of Ocaml. But in reality, any strong-typed language will have this as well.
And yeah, Typescript merely "suggests" typing, and it will allow you to build the project even if you ignore the type errors. A build system refusing to, well, build, if there are typing errors usually takes care of this, but again, the dev team may as well not implement this.
Any examples other than ocaml? From my understanding, ocaml's type strength may only be found in a couple other languages. Haskell, scala, and maybe Rust. Any others?
I thought of Pascal, Java and C#, but pretty much any language listed here as "explicit / nominal / static" makes the cut:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_by_type_system