At least planned economies can centralize and organize how society reduces consumption and carbon, for example if the Chinese governments says "less car more bus", it happens very quickly and people don't complain like babies in a SUV like in western countries.

It's immensely more difficult to do with a capitalist country where advertising is everywhere because consumers are being sold a dream of infinite growth.

Economic ideology has nothing to do with global warming.

Yes it does. Liberal ideology and the push for competition without oversight generate a disorganized chaos where people fend for themselves, without regards for the common interest.

Democracy is short term system, Tocqueville talks about it. Democracy is all fine and dandy when you have abundant energy, but it becomes difficulty where you need to add physical constraints.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the push for competition without oversight generate a disorganized chaos

And Communism doesn't have this very issue? Russia and China have done immense damage to the environment as well. Industrializing a nation does damage. Maybe you can mitigate it, but I don't believe a system involving humans would ever achieve it. Whatever basis you use to run things, it causes problems, because everyone wants progress.

[–] hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

A lot of what china produces goes to exports.

A planned economy is a regulated system.

Capitalism led to a deregulated capitalism, which is mostly under the oversight of capitalists, not by politicians or public interests. I want capitalism to become better regulated again, especially advertising. Do you believe that can happen? I don't really know.

All am I saying is that under a planned economy, capitalists cannot advertise for products and target the reward systems of the brains of consumers which work short term, not long term.

Production should happen in a regulated system that benefits people on the long term. The production of sodas and taco bells are not in the same priority system compared to maintaining roads, to produce a steady food supply or have healthcare, teachers and a military. Supply and demand requires that you cannot mix everything when it comes to public interests. That's why planned economies are much much "agile" in a war economy like what the climate is causing.