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Conservatives were more upstanding before Reagan.
Actually, I wonder how much of the problems we attribute to 9/11 can be traced back to the Reagan administration.
Were they though?
Segregation has entered the chat.
Oh they were still awful, they simply got worse.
Pre-Reagan they at least had values they could point to that weren't just "Democrat policy bad"
I mean, I suppose maybe if you went all the way back to Eisenhower, who had his own whole of issues to boot anyway, you could say they were still respectable and had values, but like Nixon started the whole "Well, when the president does it … that means that it is not illegal." shit.
...and you'd still have to be ignoring how absolutely bigoted most average people in the US were most of it's history. Like what about the Disco Demolition Night riot in 1979, a fevered rejection of an art form that was primarily made by minorities by young white men? It wasn't just the leaders who didn't have good values.
I mean hell, the Stonewall riots were in 1969.
It's really incredible just how quickly the needle has moved on racial and sexual acceptance. If you go back and look at edgy comedy that has a racial component from the early 90s you can see just how far things have come.
The classic example, Blazing Saddles of course has the plot of the new sheriff in the old wild west town being black, and while a lot of the jokes and exact verbaige wouldn't fly today, you can tell that it didnt come from a place of prejudice but simply racial acceptance has improved so much these days. But the part that absolutely aged the worst was at the end there's a fourth wall breaking gag where all of the cowboys accidentally leave the Western film set at the studio and find themselves on the set of a musical, and there's a series of very off-color gags about queer folk in theatre including (straight) male actors overplaying "gay" and feminine traits as part of the joke. This scene quite clearly did not come from a place of tolerance and hits very differently now because of it. Gay men are 100% the butt of the joke in that scene, and not the audience.
You can also tell how recent sexual acceptance is with how certain milestones are so recent. Legend of Korra which aired in 2014 ends with the main character entering into a relationship with another woman, something that was absolutely groundbreaking in childrens television, and that was less than 10 years ago!
A lot of LGBTQ+ people despair unnecessarily at the state of discourse around LGBTQ+ rights. Looking at the arc of history, we've gained rights at an astounding rate. The Stonewall Riots are usually counted as start of the modern LGBTQ+ movement, so just a touch over fifty years. Many other minority groups have spent centuries under the thumb of oppressors with only painstaking movement. Instead, every few years delivers something new. Yes, there are setbacks, but overall things are showing strong improvement.
I was listening to the whole thing about Rs protesting against increasing the required ethics to be a supreme court justice and it was just so bizarre.
They were saying that requiring justices to abide by the same code of ethics as congress would destroy the supreme court as we know it. Like... Yes, I know. That's entirely the point.
Oh I forgot, so then this other asshole says the bill is "deader than fried chicken" because we can always just fillibuster it.
We need to get rid of the current fillibuster. Make them stand up there and talk forever. If you want to block something then you have to actually mean it. Oh sorry you have to pee? Get fucked.
And that goes for both parties.
Reagan wasn’t the cause, just a symptom.
The evangelicals switching from politically neutral to Republican in the 70s is where the change started.
And old people getting stuck in social media echo chambers is what kicked it up a gear between 2008 and 2016.
This doesn't get said enough:
Country music certainly sucked since Garth Brooks, at least. My dad used to listen to that crap on every road trip. It was hell.