this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2024
1020 points (98.9% liked)

Technology

34978 readers
114 users here now

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 79 points 7 months ago (18 children)

Let's not forget this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdL0StldJM

Wired headphones do not have the need for replaceable batteries.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 84 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

And get caught on everything.

I can't be bothered with the inconvenience of wires. Bluetooth quality is good enough for what I need it for, and the convenience of simply putting them on gives me sound is hard to beat.

I have a pair of noise-canceling Bluetooth headphones (not buds) from 2008 that still work. Battery life isn't what it was, but whatever - they work fine for how I use them (as one pair of several). I could replace the battery if I felt like it, just not worth the effort.

But I get that some people prefer the wired for their use-case.

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 66 points 7 months ago (12 children)

The simple point is, no one forces you to use wires. Bluetooth has been a thing for decades.

But basically every (yes some exceptions) company that makes phones forced you to use wireless ones.

And in the case of Fairphone it is just simply hypocritical.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And in the case of Fairphone it is just simply hypocritical.

I agree. I get that they're a business and all but I haven't seen a legitimate explanation for them removing headphone jacks and, like every other manufacturer, simultaneously introducing expensive Bluetooth ones.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

The only reason the headphone jack was ever removed is to sell you wireless earbuds.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

People will deny this but this is the only real reason for doing that. The other reason is copying apple, which isn't really another reason as apple removed it for the first reason. Fairphone just went the extra mile to claim that headphones are wasteful, in essence they're making an excuse to cover up their reason why and also trying to force others to do it as well.

[–] ActionHank@sopuli.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

or a adapter at greater than 20x cost

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

YUP! I'm sorry, Apple earned more money than Spotify purely based on their airpod market. I refuse to believe otherwise.

If they truly cared about repairability/maintainability they'd give me a headphone jack phone with a replaceable module in case it wears down.

I freaking hate dongles, I always have one when I don't need one and can never find one when I don't. They randomly don't work or I don't know if this AliExpress one I bought is actually stealing my data. Just give a built-in jack, please!

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

I velcro’d dongles to some wired pairs of headphones, but haven’t been using them.

AirPods have been great for stockholders and bad for our planet’s inhabitants. But I cannot deny the flexibility, seamlessness (even across devices), speed to don & doff, and convenience are powerful factors.

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

All my phones always had headphone jacks, even though I prefer wireless and put those rubber nub dust protectors in them, so they don't get filthy. Nobody forced me to do anything. I had multiple brands. Wiko, Samsung, Honor, etc..

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] ActionHank@sopuli.xyz 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

No one's disputing the utility of wireless. But it's not harming anyone to have a device with both mini-jack and bluetooth; the way it was for nearly 2 decades without any complaint.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A follow-up video "Why I was wrong about fairphone" by Louis Rossmann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAogtqyN22M

Still critical of lack of audio jack but praises FairPhone for including list of all components and board view of where each part is located and a complete schematic. In comparison to other phones manufacturers that's night and day of repair-ability.

[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 3 points 7 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://www.piped.video/watch?v=EAogtqyN22M

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] mraow_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I have yet to use a USB-C to 3.5mm dongle for my phone that hasn't gone bust in my pocket in a few months. Probably time to see about a cable for the earphones that terminates in USB-C on the phone end, but that was difficult to search for.

I love my wired ones, and have been nursing some BT earbuds for years, but it's hard to use wired and not to move to BT anymore without buying a phone specifically for the 3.5mm jack.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Get a portable dac amp so you can connect your wired headphone over usb-c and upgrading its sound quality at the same time.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hyperbole aside, I'd still be worried that any cable physically connected to my phone would break the port over time - mostly because that has happened to me in the past with multiple devices.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guess there is no way to escape the extra stress to the port. Maybe using this kind of detachable magnetic adapter can help with reducing the strain? They don't conform with usb specification though, so while it may reduce strain to your port, it may carry another risk like making it easier to accidentally shorting some exposed pins.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nice, I did not know such a connector existed - that will be useful for completely different and unrelated use cases.

While I had toyed with the idea of a portable, Japanese - made DAC for a while, I switched to Bluetooth headphones years ago. Started out with a cheap Philips headset for $50, later on got the Bose QC 35 II (still my daily driver when outside) and finally worked my way up to the Sony WH-1000XM5.

I did not realize how nice active noise cancelation is. Plus, the frequency reproduction of the XM5 with LDAC enabled is absolutely fine.

On the cons side, you're walking around with $300 - $400 on your head, which is an absolutely luxury, plus you'll get headphones that perform equally well in the sound department (minus the excellent ANC and freedom from cables) for a lot less.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Duallight@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago

I'm the same, those dongles don't last, and are annoying to use. I picked up one of these cables from aliexpress to use with my iems and it works a treat. There's better quality cables out there, but for 10 bucks these are solid.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

People keep whining about this but honestly people who listen to music with wired headphonea are a small fraction of a 1%. And they probably have this data from their telemetry.

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

They are now a small fraction cause this trend is already 8 years old.

[–] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Don't wanna be a whiner but wireless in ears never last long enough for me. I'm forced to stop using them after a while because they need to be charged. Even a 2 and a half hour phone call is enough to deplete them. This is a non existing problem with wired ones

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I live in a low humidity climate, there is no pain quite as obnoxious as wired headphones static shocking you right across your brain.

[–] yuriy@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Idk what exactly causes this, but I definitely have headphones that never do that. I reckon it’s only on my pricier pairs, so maybe it’s a cable insulation thing?

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It depends on the proximity of metal to skin mostly. If you use giant cans with huge ear pads, you're fine. If you use in-ear reference headphones, the metal mesh over the speaker is close enough to the earhole to jump the gap. It also depends if the headphones are plugged into a device on your person versus say, a desktop DAC. And if you use a chair with wheels that roll across plastic, etc. etc. A lot of variables. I still enjoy using wired for audio quality, I just have to make sure I don't plan on moving and/or discharging my bodily static periodically on a grounded surface.

ESD is such an hilarious annoying thing, I once touched a cell phone and the entire display oozed to black starting from the point I touched and then oozed back to picture. Another time, I ESD'd a wall thermostat so hard that it reset back to factory defaults. I may actually be a Van De Graaff generator.

Edit: Just remembered a third, touched a light switch screw one day and static snapped me with enough juice that 200 nearby LED lights blinked on for a split second, and then back off.

[–] yuriy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Would wearing one of those grounded ESD leashes prevent this? It’s kinda silly, but if it works I’ll absolutely put one of those lil fuckers at my desk.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

Funny you mention, I just recently got some ESD shoe harnesses to try out and see if they'll drain it enough to reduce the shock. May have to go full ESD lab with grounded work pads and everything at some point hahaha.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yep. I refuse to buy a FairPhone for this simple reason: I hate bluetooth. It means I have to buy a new expensive device to get audio quality that's worse than before and requires batteries again. Fuck that.

I also find it ridiculous that they call themselves "fair" but making bluetooth buds probably increases pain and suffering, because more materials have to be used to make them than a simple jack headphone.

Anti Commercial AI thingyCC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know about the fairness of this particular company but by that rationale nothing can ever be fair, just by existing we increase the suffering. Its how the world is.

Think headphones jacks don't cause suffering at some point in the chain?

Not that I'm disagreeing, just not sure how things would get named under this specific scheme.

Does it assume that it's generally understood that everything is a little harmful in some way, so as long as you don't claim otherwise, it's cool or would everything need to be measured on some sort of average harmfulness scale and then include the rating in the title.

Like "Horrendously harmful Apple" or "Mildly harmful Colgate"

A bit hyperbolic perhaps.

Genuinely not trying to start a fight, actually interested in what you think would be a good way of doing this, as I've occasionally pondered it myself and never come up with a good answer.

Incidentally, this is one of the core plotlines to later seasons of "The good place"

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Incidentally, this is one of the core plotlines to later seasons of “The good place”

Aaaay! Was going to say that too 👍

My only point is that we can work to minimize suffering. Making it necessary to purchase a new accessory adds more suffering than using an old accessory.

Anti Commercial AI thingyCC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

That's reasonable

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 2 points 7 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://www.piped.video/watch?v=bRdL0StldJM

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

load more comments (10 replies)