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Ally in training... (lemmy.socdojo.com)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com to c/lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org

Hey all,

So I'm looking to take an active step here to understand better some things that my straight/white/cis/middle-aged male brain has had a tough time wrapping itself around, particularly in the gender identity front.

I'm working from the understanding of physical sex as the bio-bits and the expressed identity as being separate things, so that part is easy enough.

What's confusing to me though is like this. If we take gender as being an expression of your persona, a set of traits that define one as male, female, or some combination of both then what function does a title/pronoun serve? To assume that some things are masculine or feminine traits seems to put unneeded rigidity to things.

We've had men or women who enjoy things traditionally associated with the other gender for as long as there have been people I expect. If that's the case then what purpose does the need for a gender title serve?

I'll admit personally questioning some things like fairness in cis/trans integrated sports, but that's outside what I'm asking here. Some things like bathroom laws are just society needing to get over itself in thinking our personal parts are all that special.

Certainly not trying to stir up any fights, just trying to get some input from people that have a different life experience than myself. Is it really as simple as a preferred title?

Edit: Just wanted to take a second to thank all the people here who took the time to write some truly extensive thoughts and explanations, even getting into some full on citation-laden studies into neurology that'll give me plenty to digest. You all have shown a great deal of patience with me updating some thinking from the bio/social teachings of 20+ years back. 🙂

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[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 5 months ago

I suppose my followup to that would be what gives someone a specific sense of gender? To say 'I am a woman' is taking societies interpretation of woman as being right. What differentiates that from 'I am a man who likes womanly things'?

What separates the 'tomboy' woman from a trans-masc?

(Please excuse any terminology missteps if I use things wrong too)

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 months ago

I suppose my followup to that would be what gives someone a specific sense of gender?

I'm 7 years transitioned and I can't answer that question for you.

It's not something I rationalised myself in to. It makes no sense. It just is. It's important to remember that you don't need to understand to accept.

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 5 months ago

A lot of these comments have also muddied my understanding of terms now which originally took on a neat physical/psychological = sex/gender split. Looking about the web that still seems to be the common delineation but like the range of people on the planet there are personal interpretations and flavors to such things too.

I get the suspicion that some of the more spirited discussions so far came with a tinge of suspicion that I'm one of the bad folks looking to invade spaces and sow discord, but that's not the case. For me it's not a question of acceptance, but really of understanding something foreign to me. I'm a hyper-logical type, does engineering things for fun, 'feels-like' for me could be pretty directly translated as 'makes rational sense' to the point where many get frustrated.

[-] LassCalibur@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

I’m a hyper-logical type, does engineering things for fun

That's totally cool! Many so far have presented philosophical answers based more in application of reason than empirical inquiry when you might perhaps prefer an answer based in biological science.

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 points 5 months ago

Very neat stuff there. Some here have talked a bit about the neuro formations differentiating things, but he gives a nice condensed format for it.

On the whimsical side though since he used music from Super Mario in the citations it ended up making me wonder if mushroom people would have gender and sex, or just spores...

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