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I work for a small-ish company of laborers. We have ~100 full-time employees who work in labour, a small team of administrative employees, and very few managers all things considered. The reasons for this are part of the reason I need to be vague in public talking about this, because the details make the company very identifiable to anyone who knows anything about the industry.

Some previous employees tried and failed to unionize over a decade ago, but the vote was very close. Since then, wages have stagnated to a degree that make me laugh and cry, we are being pushed to work more and more overtime, and in general morale is very low. I am in contact with a small group of very well-connected employees who are 100% on board with unionizing, and I believe that we can successfully get the required signatures this time if we play our cards right.

  1. How does one go about choosing a union to work with? I have done some Googling but the results are useless. I need some kind of leftist search engine, please! I know of the major Canadian unions like Unifor and Teamsters, as well as the IWW, and then the very specific ones like the postal union or the teachers' union.
  • Does the IWW even do workplace organizing? I was under the impression that it was more of a thing you joined solo.
  • Are any of the bigger unions in Canada actually useful? We need a hard wage correction upfront and then guaranteed cost of living increases after that, and I don't want to do all this work to have some centrist 'union' let us down in negotiations.
  • Do you know of any trade-specific unions for things in the realm of carpentry and space finishing? (Again sorry for being vague in public about industry) I know that my industry is largely unionized in the US, but here it rarely is. I have not found any info from my Google searches as to which unions those other companies work with.
  • If we can't find anything that's a good fit, is it advisable to start an industry-specific union for us and others? Is that doomed to fail?
  1. I've found a few different groups that say "contact us if you want to organize your workplace" but basically
  • Most of them seem US-centric and we are in Canada
  • I worry that they're ops lol
  • Not sure if this is the IWW's wheelhouse or not. I don't want to take help from them and then form a union under Teamsters or something, kind of feels like wasting their resources idk maybe this is fine??
  • So uhhhh please recommend a good group to talk to about this in Canada! Or I mean a US group is fine so long as they have the knowledge about local rules and can help us.
  1. There is some complex stuff to explain about the company structure that make it hard to know how many people we'd have to get to sign cards and I would really appreciate someone knowledgeable messaging me privately so I can explain a bit, or point me to a good group where I can ask this question

Gosh sorry I am rather at a loss of where to start here so I'm someone could just give me a stick and point me in the right direction I would be exceptionally pleased, thank you!!

Edit: as a bonus I may have slam-dunk proof of wage theft by the company not paying certain employees overtime, would be great if we could also get some resources on how to retaliate for that in as big of a blow as possible. ✌️

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[–] Fabric9672@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

It sounds like you are private sector, so any of the private sector unions will be good to contact. It is worth contacting and meeting with a few to feel them out. Bring a small team with you though, this is good for two reasons: you get other opinions, and you show them that you aren't just a single person trying to unionize a workplace. IMO (and to be clear, this is just my opinion) don't bother with the IWW, they basically don't exist. You need money, staff, and experience, and the large unions have these (even if they are libs at the end of the day--but being part of them does mean you can send delegates to conferences, etc.., and move them in a direction you like).

You will have to meet with the unions to feel them out, and I only know about public unions, so I don't have specific advice there. It really comes down to a few things, your local, your staff rep from the union (the person who helps you bargain), and the union itself. Make a list of unions that may be relevant to you (i.e. Canadian Private Sector Unions), and then look at whether they have locals who have recently been on strike, how much the union itself supported them, and the outcomes of their contracts. But do reach out and make contact with them (using your private email ofc). Starting your own industry specific union is likely not a great idea in such a small workplace.

IDK what province you are in, but that can have a bearing on specifics too.

This is very basic, but here is the CUPE guide for unionizing: https://bcorganizing.cupe.ca/process/. You already sound like you have the beginning of an organizing committee, so the next step is to solidify that, and then talk to unions to get advice in person.

A side note, but I was recently a party to a failed organizing drive of a small workplace, and it failed because the potential members where not properly informed and the organizers got ahead of themselves.

[–] tiredcoworkers@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I think most of the public sector stuff is unionized already tbh. I'm going to look at the well-known unions like Teamsters etc, but it's so hard to get a good overview of which ones suck the least. All the good stories I've seen recently in terms of won battles have been in Quebec which doesn't really help us out.

I'm definitely in the phase 0 of this: research. Going to do as much as possible before I launch into phase 1: planning. But planning is my strong suit and I've already got a few ideas for as to how I could go about mapping out employee social connections etc. I plan to not let this attempt fizzle like the last one did. It was before my time but I'm told that they didn't have the right people behind the effort. Marx give me strength fidel-salute

Anyway thanks for the info, I had entirely forgotten CUPE existed.

[–] Fabric9672@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, public sector is heavily unionized, but not entirely, especially when it is in that weird public/private middle ground. I've been part of two different unions. Both had/have their issues, but in one case it was primarily a problem with the local. If you start a new local it is kind of nice because you don't have pre-existing apathetic execs who are useless. Even if you get unionized, the process of agitation doesn't end or else people get complacent.

When you meet with unions do ask them how they would support you on strike. For me, one of these unions basically gave us a blank cheque (though they wouldn't call it that), staff that were on the picket everyday pumping people up, and tirelessly worked to escalate. Part of this was because the president of the union itself was good, and we lucked out with good mid/lower level staff who had guts.

Solidarity and best of luck organizing! rat-salute

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