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Biden's message to Iran about retaliatory strike on Israel: 'Don't'
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It really sucks that Joe is hitching his legacy to this shitty government (Israel). I'm guessing this is meant as a general strategy to moderate the conflict leaking out of Gaza. But I can't imagine support for the conflict is still high among US Israelis but I'd have to fact check that. Does Joe need the Jewish vote more than the youth in this election? I just don't get it.
Israel is a pet project of more than 50 years. Noone is going to throw it out on a whim, genocide or not.
A whim?
Thats what i said!
There are two major issues here:
Joe Biden's diplomatic job is to try to prevent things from descending into a full-scale regional war, try to protect Gaza civilians, try to reduce tensions, try to keep Israel as an ally... Notice how some of those have come into contradiction with each other? Yeah. He's trying to thread a very difficult needle.
I'm not saying he's succeeding, either, but he's at least trying.
The US doesn't arbitrarily choose to make and keep allies. Israel represents a huge geopolitical strategic advantage in the region, given its position on the Mediterranean and its proximity to trade routes and oil pipelines. They're willing to put up with an ally committing genocide not just on principle but because they don't actually care about that as much as their own power in the region.
80% of Israelis support the war in Gaza. Netanyahu is a convenient fall guy to what is a PR nightmare (and nothing more). If tomorrow they vote in a new government, nothing fundamentally changes for Palestinians, except perhaps fewer bombs drop on their heads. They face genocide through Israel's blockade and remain in an apartheid state.
The US has geopolitical interests in the region: that didn't change when Israel went full genocide.
I tried to find backing for that 80% statistic you cited, and couldn't. Could you provide a link? I'd also be interested in the details of how that support breaks down. Is that 80% fully in support of the genocide in Gaza? Or is that 80% support destroying Hamas, while the particulars of the war are much more varied in their support?
88% of all Jewish Israelis think the number of killed or injured Palestinians is justified by the war
Edit: Here's the actual poll that isn't behind paywall
Thanks, I'll look into both.
I don't disagree but we should be careful with polls. This 80% pole is being spammed everywhere now. If you think back after 9/11 support for the Iraq invasion was high initially then it tapered off. I'm just saying: polls aren't indicative of a sharp picture. I take them as a pulse of the people at a snapshot in time.
Israel was founded on a zionist mission, which has always been in contradiction with the existence and independence of the Palestinian people. I'm not sure I see a reason to doubt a poll showing support for a war against Palestine, except possibly a poll that shows support for the means of that war, but then again that's the US's stance too: they support the war, but disagree with the optics and methods used.
So what? And America was founded on manifest destiny. It doesn't mean Americans born today want to wipe out the native Americans. We can't ascribe the sins of our grandfathers to our children. A great deal of Israeli people were actively against settlements and for a two state solution before Oct 7. This is a fact that has to be contended with and can't be ignored.
America already did wipe out the Native Americans
Try saying this back when western expansion was still happening.
You're missing the point of my comment because you're fixated on the suffering and expansion. I'll repeat myself in case it wasn't clear: we cannot ascribe the sins of the grandfathers to the children. A big percentage of Israeli population already vehemently opposes settlements and expansion.
I'm fixated on the suffering and expansion because it's currently happening
I'm not ascribing the sins of a past generation onto a new one, I'm pointing to the sins of the current generation
Ok. You're getting lost in the sauce and you're doing it on purpose at this point. In talking about the significant contingent of Israeli people that oppose settlements.
What is the point of opposing settlements when what little territory Palestinians have is being actively occupied and being subjected to an apartheid regime?
The majority of Israelis support the continuation of that situation, and a third support the annexation of occupied territory under Israeli rule.
Opposition to settlements is a little impotent when their government is actively undermining the security of Palestinians behind a blockade. I don't get the relevance.
Bro whatever I don't care. I just commented on the validity of polls, then you pivoted to the Zionist mission and now were back to quoting polls full circle. Whatever you say man. Im talking to the wind. Idgaf any more.
Good deal.
Technically America was founded on proto-manifest destiny, fuck britain, and keeping the thirteen colonies from killing eachother and being reconquered