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Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting.

Air attack warning sirens began wailing over Jerusalem just before 2am local time on Sunday after the weapons were fired a few hours earlier from Iran with US and Jordanian military assisting Israel’s air defenses in intercepting the first incoming barrage.

With weapons believed to be still in the air en route to Israel, Iran’s mission to the United Nations posted on X: “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”

However, it threatened more severe action in the face of further Israeli aggression and warned the US and Jordan specifically not to assist Israel.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I know Israel is a small country of only 10M people with a traumatic history surrounded by enemies...so they need to act tough in their neighbourhood, take no shit and all...but they start to feel like the tiny angry girlfriend who dates a big guy and picks up fights in every bar expecting everyone to be afraid that her date will come to the rescue every time...

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Painting Israel as a victim just for having a small population / geography... I don't know about that. They've committed far too many massscres since their inception to be portrayed like that.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They were victims of the Holocaust. They were aggressors in the Nakba. They were probably victims one or more times after that, as well as aggressors (I'm a bit fuzzy on that history, honestly), and now they're aggressors doing a "proportionate genocide" in Gaza. And they want to start shit with Iran, which might just be a case of two assholes fighting each other.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Jews were victims of the Holocaust

Zionists were aggressors in the Nakba

Don't conflate Judaism with Zionism

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but Zionism is a Jewish movement, and I doubt there were many Zionists who got through the Holocaust unscathed. It was the major motivating factor for actually doing it, so it is a big part of the picture.

Signed, a (technically) Jewish anti-Zionist.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Zionism is a Jewish movement

It's a movement that concerns followers of Judaism. But plenty of Zionists are Evangelicals etc. And Zionism has always had support from Non-Jews, dating back to its 19th century origins

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

I actually don't know much about the history of non-Jewish support, come to think of it. I should look into that.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Stop giving in to the narrative that Israel equates to Jews. Jews suffered the Holocaust. Israel does not benefit from the suffering endured by a distinct group

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago

Inequivalent, yes, distinct no. The founding of Israel and especially the settlement had a lot to do with the Holocaust. That doesn't justify the Nakba, but if someone is trying to make one side out as always the villain they're basically part of the problem we've had this whole time.

We're all people. Just ordinary people, like you'd meet in a grocery store, but also capable of horrendous things.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

but they start to feel like the tiny angry girlfriend who dates a big guy and picks up fights in every bar expecting everyone to be afraid that her date will come to the rescue every time…

Lol, I called them US's little Chihuahua dog that rabidly barks at any moving object

[–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Chihuahuas don’t kill so many children.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

So pitbull then

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Let’s be honest, they would if they could.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Also they have started the hostilities and made enemies of neighbors, not like they weren't offered a fair share of land even in the face of them settling in there because the big ex-boyfriend just forced so.

[–] livus@mander.xyz 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The tiny angry girlfriend who is also killing children and old people in her basement?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not quite sure how to fit Netanyahu into this analogy, but that's also a factor. The dude doesn't want to go to jail and it looks like he has no problem flattening the Middle East if it helps prop him up.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Seems like no one in Israel has any issues with following orders.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Israel is an apartheid. Stop falling for the Holocaust sympathy propaganda. The country is rotten to the core and doesn't represent Jews.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It is an open air prison, no doubt about that. Yet the apartheid in this case did not arise out of pure racism, but as a reaction to a history of constant suicide bombings. Besides, there are 2 million palestinian israelis living peacefully inside Israel...but there is also a part of Israel that does not help their case either by covering for every nationalist invading the West Bank or the cruelty they allow to go unpunished e.g. Shireen Abu Akleh.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure isrealis were the first to bomb given that they were doing it before their country existed and then took terrorists as national heroes and military leaders.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok... great ... as if the problem wasn't complex enough, there were/are? also crazy jewish bombers :/

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The point is, you stated the apartheid was a response to bombings, but Zionist terrorists were bombing and killing Palestinians before the Israeli state existed, and those terrorists were rewarded by the West and put into positions of power in Israel. After which there has been continued resistance by Palestinians.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's an apartheid, but it's good. Get out of here.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I personally wouldn't have used mass murder and eviction to create an ethnostate aka Israel. Israel then has proceeded to annex more land against all treaties, blocks aid from entering Palestine and routinely murders Palestinian civilians. Are you saying Israel had no other options?

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I agree it should not have been done, it is the UN's original sin. But now it is there, survived lots of attacks from its beighbours, lots of jews were expelled from e.g. arab countries to shelter there, you just can't go back.

I'm asking what you would do if 20% of a country next to you kept trying to kill you (hamas wouldn't even be happy with Palestinian statehood, they just want Israel wiped off the map).

I'd "build a wall", stop weapons going in and let them be until they calm down somehow...but that's not what Israel did anyway...and hamas got over the fucking wall anyway, so here we are...back to 2007 again.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

They didn't just do that though, they funded Hamas, allowed them to recieve weapons, refuses to recognize any sort of Palestinian statehood, pursued policies that enabled the most extreme factions of Palestinian resistance and thwarts any attempt at lasting peace. There is a long-term plan in the works by Israeli forces to annex all of Palestine. Israeli officials from top to bottom have made it clear they want to eliminate Palestine as an idea.

What would you do if you were Palestinian?

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stop being an apartheid and have a truth and reconciliation process to correct the wrongs done to the Palestinians.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I stopped looking at this problem through the lens of morality, it just leads you into a paralyzing spiral of blame and righteousness, because you have millions of people who don't even know their borders, their status, their rights, an israeli military that is not sure where their jurisdiction and authority ends, a divided capital (that in itself is a stupid diplomatic trap by design, who the hell thought that would ever work?). This was a political failure in the making born from the utopian lack of vision of the birth of the UN: a political trap for anyone that gets near it, which can also be weaponized into political ammo by outside forces.

Probably the only solution starts by disabling the first layer of the trap: a palestinian state with its own official borders (which is its own problem, because there is no contiguity...legacy of the stupid original bipartite design), some form of limited military, navigation rights, release Marwan Barghouti, etc ...and then you pray that hamas does not win the elections and immediately declare jihad on Israel :/ , but at least then there will be some clarity about what to do in terms of what we want states to act like with each other.