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Trump demands 5% cut from GOP candidates who use his 'name, image and likeness' in ads
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I'm sorry to break this to you...
The "Hillary Victory Fund" I was talking about didn't disappear...
It's just now called the "Biden Victory Fund".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donors-can-now-give-620600-to-biden-and-dnc-expanding-democratic-big-money-fundraising/2020/05/16/d2bf51cc-978a-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html
By saying it's a "fund" it lets billionaires donate over half a million, and it's legal.
A small amount goes to down ballot politicians, but most goes to the DNC operations and Biden.
I didn't really get into that in my last comment tho, when we're talking about fundraising by "the fiscally conservative" there's often too much shady shit to cover at once.
Quick edit:
We didn't know how bad Hillary's was till her people ran away from the DNC after 2016. Biden's people moved in after a couple years in anticipation of 2020, and since he won. They stayed.
We won't really hear how bad his was/is unless his people leave and someone with integrity is allowed to see the DNC's books while trump is in office. After Donna Brazile went public about the numbers, we might not get another person with integrity again.
Up till the handover was complete in 2016, Hillary's people were very secretive with the money and just kept saying everything was "fine". We can't trust neoliberals running the DNC to be honest, and since they're a private organization, they don't have to tell anyone what's happening.
This isn't a "Hillary" problem, it's a fundamental problem with how our system is set up.
Opening the floodgates for huge donations from billionaires won't fix it, it'll only make it worse.
Let me see if I follow all of this
I'm actually fully in agreement with you about the poisonous influence of legalized big money in politics and the overall incompetence of the DNC and Hillary Clinton specifically, but I'm not seeing how having most of the "Biden Victory Fund" go to Biden, is worse than extracting money directly from your downballot candidates
Because:
And Hillary's agreement was 50%, but in reality it was hardly anything making it down ballot. There was even more shady shit going on where they changed to not splitting the money till very very late in the election, at which point the DNC said there wasn't any left to give.
Like I said, the only way we'll know what happens this time, is if someone with access to the DNCs books admits it later. After that happened following Hillary's loss, it's very likey a prerequisite for those positions involves not snitching on the last group.
But between those ~~two~~~ three articles I linked, it covers most of what was going on.
Surely it would be easier to read the articles than me trying to explain it?
You'd get the full picture (that we knew at the time it was written) instead of me trying to summarize.
Yes, I understand the gist of the victory fund thing.
My question was, why is that worse than what Trump is doing? Even if we posit without evidence that Biden is guaranteed to do exactly the same thing with it that Hillary did.
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Because trump is just demanding a cut.
Biden's 2020 campaign are the ones that structured it so billionaires can give 625k, which is much larger than the normal 2.5k you can give to a candidate.
PACs get around it by not being allowed to "coordinate" with the campaign legally.
This allows the DNC to essentially be a PAC, except they can legally coordinate with Biden's campaign...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donors-can-now-give-620600-to-biden-and-dnc-expanding-democratic-big-money-fundraising/2020/05/16/d2bf51cc-978a-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html
It's all there in one of the links you haven't read.
trump is doing a small time grift, Biden significantly expanded how much the wealthy can influence an election far and above citizens united. Which you just said was a problem...
So I don't understand how you don't see how what Biden is doing is worse.
If the problem is me explaining it, please read those articles and see if that helps. I'm not sure how else to put it that's simpler, and don't see the point of me going as in depth as those articles you won't read.
I understand perfectly well, you don't need to keep repeating or pretending that the issue is that I don't understand.
Trump is siphoning money that he didn't raise away from downballot candidates
Biden is raising money, then you're saying that he's probably not giving enough of it to downballot candidates (while admitting you have no idea whether that's actually happening; you're just assuming it because of what Hillary did)
Right? Do I have that summary correct?
If your main concern is that you're upset that all this stuff is legal in America, I fully agree. I think directing anger at the system that made it legal and try to make it illegal again sounds like a great idea. Since it's legal though, it seems weird to say that it's a huge problem that the better candidate in this election is doing it (to try to raise money and win the election).
I don't even understand how Biden's name came into this and why you're trying so hard to link this particular type of legalized corruption with his name, specifically under an unrelated story about Trump inventing a whole new type of kneecapping-downballot-candidates to do.
(I mean, I have a theory for why you're so eager to bring Biden's name into it and bring up shady things Hillary Clinton did 8 years ago; I'm just pointing out that it's an odd thing to be so eager to bring into discussion about this story.)
You literally said:
So I took that as meaning I needed to repeat what I already explained because you didn't understand...
You keep asking me things that are explained in the articles you're not reading.
If the problem is me, take me out of the equation and just read the articles man.
That comic is actually a really good illustration of how to use propagandistic framing (take a sensible thing and put it in the mouth of a character who's dislikeable) -- in this case, making it seem like "Sounds like you're talking bollocks about something I care about, can you justify what you said?" is a rude thing to ask.
(Edit: He edited the comment maybe? This is the comic which was part of the comment before he edited it)
Again this is completely uncontroversial. This is how party funding works.