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Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
And don't blindly refuse to believe anything you read on the internet
I'm not. I do approach everything on here with a degree of skepticism though. Nothing simply gets blind faith.
In this case, when the IDF wants to kill someone, they just blow up the building/vehicle they are in. Luring people out to machine gun them down from drones smacks of sensationalist bs, and no evidence is provided beyond supposed testimonies.
Given the reports of "kill zones" used by the IDF it doesn't seem so unrealistic.
You're right of course, that you shouldn't blindly believe this type of stuff. If the IDF hadn't killed so many journalists and Israel banned outlets it doesn't like we might have some independent verification of this. But we can't get it. Honestly while you obviously shouldn't 100% believe it this fact does make me more likely to believe, because they obviously have something to hide.
I think Israel is intentionally creating this doubt so their PR, hasbara spewers and supporters can dismiss any crime with faux-superiority and "well it's unverified."
Imagine hearing the testimony of a victim of the attack on October 7th and just being like, naah, just a report, why should I believe this? Well because you know exactly the sort of stuff that happened that day and this person was literally there you fucking idiot. The question is why disbelieve it?
Likewise, the IDF has done so much disgusting shit and lied so much through the conflict, why should I disbelieve this? I'm cautiously accepting unless further evidence emerges.
Well said.
Personally I neither believe nor disbelieve, I just remain in that "maybe" space in between the two. This space exists for me until well after the war is over. One thing I certainly believe is it is impossible to accurately determine the truth in an active war without seeing it for yourself, so I don't bother trying.
The truth comes out later, once it is safe to do more in-depth, time-consuming work with more neutral parties. This is just one part of the problem with wars, their inherent deadliness keeps neutral investigators away.
edit: Every war is a Schrodinger's Box, every supposed fact is the cat inside. It cannot actually be opened until people in the area are no longer dying. Essentially.
I think we can trust the Euro-Med human rights monitor.
And considering Israel's track record, I wouldn't find this story hard to believe.
I see nothing in there that makes them worthy of a great deal of trust. To the contrary, being Palestinian-affiliated means they're on a side in a war.
Being on a side is fine, but it does not and should not promote trust.
The leader was the former United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian... so maybe look harder.
Just because someone is with the UN does not make them trustworthy. The UN is not some inherently perfect thing. Unless you think Saudi oil tycoons are the proper people to be heading an international taskforce on climate change.
Much like any other org, one has to pay attention to details and not just blindly trust. This is true of every org, no exceptions. If it features people, it should not be blindly trusted at all times.
Then who the fuck do you trust? At what point can anyone or any organnzation be trustworthy according to your impossible standards?
Completely trust? No one. I trust systems and methods. I do not trust any person or group of people to properly use any system or method 100% of the time.
Life isn't so easy, unfortunately.
I tend to trust thorough investigations that show their evidence, usually, regardless of who puts them out. For instance, I'm fairly confident the expose done on the IDF intentionally targeting Reuters journalists a few months ago was accurate.
Nothing is perfect though.
Moving the goalposts.
No, my original goalpost was one should not believe everything one reads on the internet. This is consistent with completely believing no one, and maintaining healthy skepticism. Nice try though.
What's the matter? You can't imagine that Israel can commit crimes against humanity? Is that why you can't trust any independent committee that highlights these things?
They're not independent, if you check the wikipedia article someone else shared. With the UN does not guarantee independence in any way, shape or form.
You mean the Wikipedia article I JUST POSTED in my previous comment?
The one that the very first line says:
Also the same article
By who???? Linkiesta and Global Muslim brotherhood daily watch???
What the fuck are those?
Linkiesta's editor is a big fan of Mordechai Richler and the guy behind the GMBDW sounds like an Islamophobe with a conspiracy theorist blog.
Didn't know that was you.
When you click through, you find out:
Ramy Abdu (Arabic: رامي عبده) (or Ramy Abdo[1]) is a Palestinian financial expert
Now, I'm not saying no Palestinians should be trusted. But I certainly wouldn't simply assume some unbiased neutrality here, when his own people are being killed.
Just because someone is with the UN does not guarantee their independence. It depends on the person.
don't accept the easiest conclusions too though. Israel is punching down on civilians. That much is fact.