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Not if they're outside the country's jurisdiction. The point is that a company that has a business entity in the UK is required to follow UK laws. This is why signal is shutting down in the UK.
A disorganisation run by volunteers in Japan can ignore the UK's silly backdoor encryption laws; the UK has no legal authority over their servers.
And the Japanese government can force a backdoor into a server hosted in Japan. I don't know what your point is or how it differs from what I said.
Governments can absolutely force backdoors into individual servers. The point you are making about the UK is true for any matrix servers hosted in or by a UK entity. It's not isolated to Signal. It's debatable if matrix clients will be legal to distribute in the UK after their law goes into effect.
So the community then moves the servet to Iceland.
The point is that they can't shutdown a community-run disorganization's sever because it can just move. Companies that profit from a region are beholdent to that region's laws.
I don't know what you are arguing. You are talking about things I haven't said or claimed... And you refuse to address the points I do bring up.
What's the point in talking to you if you arent going to participate?
I'm arguing that a disorganisation isn't beholdent to the laws of a few silly countries, unlike a corporation
And I've addressed all your points.
But that doesn't have anything to do with what I said?
You haven't addressed any of them? How does the fact that servers can be spun up in different countries affect those countries ability to inject backdoors into servers hosted in their country? When did I ever say block or remove communities? How does restricted legal access to third party clients like element confound the situation?
It's like you have some strawman argument setup and you are shouting at the void...
Literally nothing you have posted on this thread is relevant to what I have posted.
You're the one that's not offering an argument to the solution.
Backdoors aren't an issue because the software is end-to-end encrypted. And if a State sends a letter to the service's operator asking them to install a backdoor, they just migrate the server to another State.
Disorganisations not tied to a geography are not beholdent to some silly countries laws in ways that corporate entities are.