Having a Mexican wife, and having learned Spanish, it makes me irrationally angry when I watch British cooking shows and watch them butcher the pronunciation of basic ingredients. Especially when those same ingredients sound fine when spoken in American English.

I also didn’t know wtf Gordon Ramsey was taking about when he kept saying Picko-Da-Gello, until they showed it on screen.

Y’all spend hundreds of years conquering the planet in search of spices, and failed to learn not only how to use them, but what they’re even called.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As a Mexican I find it humorous and charming. Even if people butcher it I appreciate the effort.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Maybe it’s just because I had the proper pronunciation drilled into me, it bothers me that I had went through a lot of arguments and effort to make myself better understood, and the people on these shows don’t even vaguely try despite having access to professional consultants or even just the internet.

I try to make myself understood, and hearing someone casually butcher a language I worked very hard to learn is frustrating.

[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Any recent loan word from France or Spain is hilariously butchered by the Brits. I'd love a list. I try to remember them as I hear them but then forget.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Avocado

Pico de Gallo

Tortilla

Garage(from the French, and absolutely butchered by the British)

Aluminum(not really a loan word but what’s with the extra letters)

Those are the ones off the top of my head, but I might actually make a list.

[–] shikitohno@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Aluminium at least makes sense by analogy to other elements ending in -ium, like helium, sodium, potassium, cadmium, beryllium, etc.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But a bunch of other elements don’t follow that pattern, why don’t they say “ironium”?

[–] shikitohno@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Because words have different etymological roots and different endings can convey different grammatical or linguistic information in many languages? This is just a misguided train of thought comparing the endings of iron and helium and expecting them to be the same. The examples I cited either have Latin roots, or were deliberately latinized words, while Iron comes from an Old English root. Ferrum, the Latin for iron, comes closer to the broader pattern. It's like saying, "I have a calculator that calculates, a ventilator that ventilates, so why is it a phone and not a callator." or something.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

I have never heard someone pronounce it tort-illa unless they were being deliberately obtuse trying to be funny, and I have always lived in Nowhere, GA.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

It's Tor-ti-lla. With intonation on the ti. I'm a Spaniard but even if I weren't, intonation and pronouciation rules are fixed. Tórtilla has intonation on the Tó, and has a tilde because it's the third syllable. Tortillá has intonation on the llá, which since it ends with an a and has the intonation is on the last syllable, in has a tilde. Tortilla has no tilde, so it must be Tor-TI-lla.