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If it opens a spacetime tunnel and I cross it with all my original atoms, yes.
If it disintegrates me to 3d print a copy on the other side, no.
Stargate yes, Star Trek no.
Stargate lore incorporates buffers holding your intermediate information, so it's the same than Star Trek, actually.
Only if there is a DHD on both sides. I don’t want some in-house built crap that ignores the failsafes that the original builders put in place
Even then, you have pretty much no way of knowing if there’s an iris. So it’s all fun and games until SLAM, all your atoms gets squished into metal.
The Iris always seemed like a bad idea to me, what if the sg team lost their code thing and had to leave a planet in am emergency?
That’s why they were military…KIA
is star trek really clone rather than teleport? I haven't really watched much of it (only like 3 or 4 seasons).
The general idea is a teleporter rips you apart and the atoms go to the destination to be reassembled in the previous state.
Whether or not it kills you is speculation. Arguably you're pretty dead if you're ripped apart atom by atom, and then a clone is assembled using the same parts.
But I don't think it's answerable if the recreated "you" is a clone or not until people can figure out what the mind even is.
Death is a state in which your biological functions cease. So no, it doesn't kill you, since you function properly after.
Is it me functioning or is it a clone?
How does it matter, with the exact same memories?
So you'd be fine with a scientist creating a perfect clone of you, and then killing you, letting the clone take your place?
If it had the same memories.
Yes. Since i would still be alive and have no memories of being killed. There's no distinguishion between a perfect clone and me. Sorry if you don't like a "you" only being memories.
Only the killed body is dead. The clone is "you" too.
Then let me tell you that Consciousness is based on memory. Memory copied => "you" copied, debate done.
Thank modern neuroscience for that.
Consciousness is not based on memory or else computers would be considered conscious.
And if according to what you're saying, a clone with all of your memories would mean you have two points of view. I could take your clone into a different room and you'd be able to tell me what they see. But it obviously wouldn't work like that because your own sense of self would still be locked in your head and the clone would get its own sense of self, albeit one with the same memories.
What i meant is, memory plays a key role.
Consciousness is, simplified, a set of self-feeding loops over input and memory, with emotions and attention (Amygdala) as regulatory mechanism.
And what we consider as consciosness only exists because of short-term memory snd our vast mental capabilities. Arguably, every higher animal has a sort of consciousness, just far more limitted. And maybe a more limited set of regulators (memories), because of our societal nature.
No, the input is not shared between two beings, even if there are two of the same.
Exactly. But because he has the same body, same memories and same feelings, he is you. Which would change with time if the original you is not deconstructed, because the "you" of today is not the "you" of yesterday because of memories, genexpression, yadda yadda.
There is no reason what you describe should give rise to consciousness rather than a biological artificial intelligence. The sense of self, the perspective that feels like me peering out through my eyes, is not explained by anything you said.
A copy of me does not equal me because we'd both have separate senses of self. Having copied memories does nothing to affect that.
Also if there's any chance of a Fly situation happening I'm not going. Even if it's like a .00000001% chance then fuck that lol
When just driving down a freeway, you have a much, much greater than 0.00000001% chance of suffering a worse outcome than the "fly situation" ;) .
Just sayin'.
I mean I'd probably rather be dead than Fly'd, so I dunno what the odds of something worse than that actually are lol.