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Stack Overflow has seen a substantial decline in traffic over the last year that appears to be accelerating. https://observablehq.com/@ayhanfuat/the-fall-of-stack-overflow

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[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 202 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think this has as much to do with Google being shit at finding stuff lately as it does llms like chatGPT

[–] Calyhre@lemmy.world 111 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can even see the decline in posts and votes before GPT became mainstream. This definitely look more like search engine failing to get rid of those cheap copycats.

[–] zatanas@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. For me, making it so that the search engine ignores -string was one of the biggest set backs.

[–] REdOG@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the search engine ignores -string

WHAT? Why would they do that? WTF no wonder....

[–] gosling@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hyphen (-) means you don't want to see this word, while words surrounded by quotes (") means you want these phrases exactly.

Most symbols are also ignored, which is great for an average user but terrible for programmers.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Yeh, suddenly you need to know what the language calls the operator within the context you want to use it.
At which point, you probably don't need to Google the symbol!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still pissed over removing +words. Like, G+ is gone, guys, so revert that mess.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a really dumb move but you can can still get the same effect by putting a word in quotation marks.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

UI-wise, though, it's toxic, and therefore slower and more stressing. It's something that can be fixed, and ergo essentially a bug. ;-)

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On Google and on Duck Duck Go too. On DDG you can't get rid of the over-optimized websites anymore even if you use -"website name". Luckily -site:address still works.

[–] cschreib@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's crazy. Google/DDG bloat from SEO websites had already driven me out a while ago, so I hadn't noticed. I've been using Kagi for a few months now, and I find I can trust my search results again. Being able to permanently downgrade or even block a given website is an awesome feature, I would recommend it just for that.

[–] pelotron@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wait WHAT? I was just asking on discord the other day if there existed a search engine that allowed you to blacklist websites as a user setting. I need to curate out all AI written garbage from my results.

[–] supercheesecake@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmm, not really used to the idea of paying for search, but I understand.

Is it good at filtering AI generated sites and sites that are clearly copy pasted. Or do you kind of have to identify that yourself and manually block?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's worth testing it with the free 100 searches. All you need is an email address (no credit card unless you're actually subscribing). I've only been using it a few days but I don't think it filters out AI generated sites. But you can set a ranking by site (block, lower, normal, raise, pin) so you can make stack overflow be priorised and block quora.

They have a ranking board of top sites in each category so you can go through it and set the rank of a bunch of sites upfront.

[–] cschreib@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

There's no specific AI detection at the moment, as far as I can tell. But it has "listicle" detection. If you ask "best lawn mower", all these "the 5 best lawn mowers of 2023" websites with affiliated Amazon links get pooled into a compact Listicle section, that you can just scroll past and ignore.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget that Duck Duck Go is even worse at it now. It will literally change your results if you go back after clicking a link.

[–] supercheesecake@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think they're trying to implement a sort of "smart prediction" thing, where it assumes that if you go back the link you clicked wasn't relevant. And so it tries to remove closely related results. Which works the opposite if you get two results from the same page and you click the wrong one. Which makes looking up technical or programming related issues a nightmare.

[–] Monsieur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I used to spend a lot of time on Google and stack, now I ask phind more often than not, which violates information for me.