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Florida has already started the "they're coming for our meat" with the lab grown meat ban if you haven't seen.
In Europe soy milk can't legally be called milk anymore. It's Soy Drink on the packaging. The farmers won that one. Now they're coming after vegi burgers allowed to be called burgers.
My arguments to "if it's not from an animal or isn't milk" are:
It's just that simple!
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Magnesia Julius. Just add nutmeg.
That's coconut water. Coconut milk is made of processed meat!
It would be funny if you just started calling it coconut malk instead of milk. Literally just changing the word milk by one letter.
Malk is rat milk, iirc
I've got nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?
The coco NUT
They won't win burger or sausage or anything like that. You can already put what you want in those, breadcrumbs, vegetable protein, fruits and vegetables, various flavours and spices, and it's still a burger/sausage.
The milk I get. Milk was highly controlled in terms of what adultrants were allowed, so when they say "we can't even add extra aspartame, but they can make the whole thing out of oats?" They get a lot of traction. Now why they wanted to add aspartame I don't have a fucking clue.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/03/06/173618723/can-milk-sweetened-with-aspartame-still-be-called-milk
milk-like plant juices or saps have been called milk since 1200. such as milk of magnesia, milk of almond
That's very true.
I'm just saying that Milk is a regulated term that's already been used to stop the milk industry from misbehaving so it's easy for the milk industry to use it to keep out competitors. Burgers, sausages, and other highly mixed foods aren't regulated the same way and I don't expect the meat industry to have any success on those fronts outside of rogue states like Florida.
Stuff like this is so silly. I understand having rules around how things are named, nobody wants to be misled about what they're buying. But were cow juice enthusiasts really getting tricked into buying soy juice? Do we have to specify the animal? Can I sell rat milk as 'milk' and they'd be ok? What's the difference between that and oat milk? So long as the origin of the milk is clear I really don't see the issue.
Obviously I know it's just dairy industry deep pockets doing what they can to remain #1 but it's just so silly.
Well it was originally designed to stop the dairy industry from putting weird stuff in milk, so there definitely a need because they kept trying to put weird stuff in it.
That part I understand, no more formaldehyde and brains in the milk. It's more the industry fighting against the term being used for alternative milks which should have their own standards associated with them. Coconut milk and cream have existed for ages and nobody cares. But my (dairy farmer) family all of a sudden have really strong opinions on using the term milk for alternative milks. Or other generic terms being used for vegan products like mince, sausage, burger, steak. All of these things typically have a word in front to describe what they're made of, but for some reason certain people get real worked up when that word is 'vegetable'.
Being a regulator is like being a teacher. There is one kids who keeps putting crayons in his nose so you make a no crayons in your nose rule to stop him and it works great until this one kid uses crayons in nostrils to make amazing pictures for a talent show and suddenly the first kid says "hey I thought you said no nose crayons, why is she allowed crayons now"
The main problem is that it's actually super hard to have a regulatory definition of "milk" that forces the dairy industry to not put stuff in milk, but also allows up to 100% of the product to be oats.
Vegan steak will be difficult for the same reasons. But I would guess vegan sausage, burgers, nuggets, boneless wings etc... will be very easy to approve since some products are already more fillers than meat already lol!
Simple. “Milk” is different from “soy milk”, just like “milk” is different from “sweetened milk” (in what godforsaken realm is aspartame in milk?). How is this not already handled?
I know it feels easy to armchair regulate but it's not usually that easy. Like if you keep current milk regulations but then let people add a word before milk to escape the rules (to allow oat milk for example) then the dairy industry will pull shit like "pure milk" and "super milk" to escape the rules. It's a cat and mouse game as soon as you start adding exceptions.
Milk is one of the longest regulated foods because the dairy industry misbehaves so much. The industrialisation of milk was so bad it caused tuberculosis outbreaks among other things.
I'm not saying there isn't a good solution, there are always many good solutions possible. All I'm saying is not to forget that there is a reason the word milk was regulated for so long. Whatever exception is carved out for almond milk has to be well constructed enough not to weaken the current milk standards, yet broad enough to allow for any variety of plant based milk and that's going to take some serious expertise. Enshrining plant based milks in a well thought out regulation is going to be the best way to stop this whole "only animal milk is milk" stuff. Until then the dairy industry is going to keep using the regulation to its advantage whenever it can to keep others out of the market.
But that's not how it was framed at the courts at all, proven by the fact that all the other product names containing "milk" were considered okay. It was specifically argued that customers could be confused to accidentally buy the vegan variant. Based on your arguments "coconut milk" should be problematic, but it isn't. Soy milk and almond milk could have been grandfathered in, but they weren't, and the reason very specifically was pressure from the dairy industry targeting their competition.
I don't know what's confusing.
1.A regulation was created to control what you can and can't put in the product called "milk" for the good of the customer.
2.The dairy industry used the regulation that was built to restrain them to keep vegan milks out of the market dishonestly using the "for the good of the customer" argument.
3.If someone can fix the regulation to allow both well regulated milk and non dairy milks then it'll put an end to this bullshit.
Where have I lost you? Just because 2 happened doesn't mean 1 didn't happen first. In fact 2 would have been a lot harder if there wasn't regulation controlling the word milk in the first place.
This problem is worse with cheese, using words like “cheese product” or “butter flavoring” for butter. Nobody is getting confused about Oat milk not being from cows, but these “not quite cheese” products are misleading.
what's a better name we could come up with for Soy Drink? we just need a new word
Legume Malk
Nut Juice
Bean Nectar
I think it now just says SOY or OATS on the packaging. Seems marketing figured out that if you stop the drink you can increase the font size.
I always drink plenty of malk.
But seriously I've seen malk and also just "m*lk".
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"Notmilk"? I mean its not milk, and kinda rolls like nut milk
According to German "what to call stuff that's not actually juice" rules, assuming for a second that we consider soy a fruit, it'd be "soy nectar".
This drivesme nuts. On the other hand I enjoy the companies working around it such as calling their products "Not M*lk" and such.
Not "anymore" it never could be called that. Figures that soy beverages are not a product containing excretions of mammary glands.
Next up: You can't call salt sugar. Oh the tyranny!
...things like coconut milk got grandfathered in based on local usage when the regulation was enacted, in any case that was before Alpro started to sell you 4ct of plants and 0.0001ct of water for three Euros.
That's stupid. I'd take lab grown meat, the vegemeats are ok, but I crave real meat and this is best for all. Less land dedicated to animal farming (they can actually graze and live their lives cruelty free) and less farm land for livestock feed(i forget how much land is used to feed our food)? That means even more food grown directly for us, isn't this the goal?