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[–] testsnake@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren't (staying federated).

[–] hawkwind@lemmy.management 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I like how someone put it in another thread. From the "defederaters," The argument most seen is: "if there's a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it's a table full of nazis." The most common counter-argument is "it's actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi's in the corner jerking themselves off." From the "federators," the most common argument is "defederation defeats decentralization," and the most common counter to this is simply: "fuck off nazi!"

I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What stadiums have these people been to where being a Nazi is okay? Stadium staff curate very specific atmospheres, and being a Nazi is an automatic disqualifier

[–] zkikiz@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Excellent example of why giant instances are bad ideas. Nazis love forcing you into a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" type choice because it means they can continue their hateful, destructive, genocidal behaviors without consequences. They're usually not stupid, they know what they're doing is wrong, they just want to keep getting away with it. So they'll go nuclear on anyone and everyone in order to maintain their comfy corner of hate.

Any moderator (or stadium owner) who doesn't give Nazis jerking off in a corner a lifetime ban is negligent, as you said.

[–] finder797@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Main issue is that in a large enough group of people, there are bound to be a few Nazis that slip in and start causing shit.

Going nuclear (defederating) on the whole group before they are aware or can react to this revelation is completely unreasonable. Even more so when the instance owners, moderators and the community are aware and actively down-voting and removing comments and communities.

[–] ViciousTurducken@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the beauty of the fediverse is if you are a Nazi sympathizer, you can pick an instance that federates with assholes!

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Plus, I'd rather have those useless fuckers out in the open - it's easier to hit them that way. Hit them with legal charges is what I meant, of course.

[–] artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ahh, the fine line between "must cut all contact with the bad people" and "oh, are we an insular cult now?"

[–] imgprojts@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

As the old and wise George Carlin used to say..."fuck the ducking fuckers". Use the word! It literally can be every word in a full sentence.

[–] willph@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Literally anyone who isn't a bigot/Nazi is welcome. I'm so sorry if that's an 'insular cult' to you, but to most people that's just decent company.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's not a fine line. More like an 8-lane highway

[–] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We have both extremes actually, both ultra left and right. Both got defederated by some major instances.