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libertarian??? O.o
nah i just can't fucking stomach the fact that everytime a political debate happens and i bitch about politics being a shitty machine that shits out dysfunctional rhetoric and polices for the purposes of preventing actual real change from happening.
Because it fucking is, people lose their shit and call me any number of insults, including telling me to literally "kill myself" because apparently, having semi nuanced viewpoints is bad.
You can't escape politics, its baked into everything. You are expressing political views right now even as you claim otherwise. Even complete dissociation from society is a political choice. Its childish to try and escape from it, an abdication of our responsibility to others.
yeah, that's my problem with it.
It's fucking everywhere. At the very least if we're going to fucking deal with it every day, i'd prefer it do things that actually exist, rather than boogeyman level shit that it currently tends to do right now.
It may be childish to try and escape from it, but falling with a failing system is equally as bad.
I feel like there is a subtle missunderstanding of my point. Its not that there is politics and then there is everything else.. its all political, everything, anything humans care about at all is politics.
There is no escape from it because its everything. Buy a bottle of water, that political, drive to work, that's political, play a game of dnd with your friends, thats political, jerk off alone in the forest where no one anywhere will ever see or know, guess what.. political.
Politics is the collective struggle to decide what we will and will not do, what we can and can not do, our values. Anything and everything you care about is political. Even if its something you take for granted and don't think about ever, the fact that you can take it for granted is political.
There isn't less or more politics at any given time, only less or more acknowledgement of the political realities at that time. Its everything.
yeah, i think that's the problem, there is a fundamental misapplication of politics. I also dont fundamentally agree with that assertion, arguably dying is not a politically relevant act. You could argue that being born is influenced by politics i suppose. But even then there's a layer of separation, or two.
You think dying isn't a politically relevant act?
i mean, you can kill yourself, which can be politically relevant, but i don't think dying of natural causes is politically relevant in any sense of the action, yeah.
Being told to kill ones self over slight nuances is childish, says more about them then you.
But like someone else has said politics is inescapable.
Aristotle.
Everything that makes you and everything that will make you, is political. even if I choose to live in a forest on my own without contact would be a political choice and further actions born from that choice would continue to be political.
even given that fact, we've created science, and managed to create some of the most advanced, and incredible things in the world. Our level of technical complexity is unmatched by anything in our observable universe, to our knowledge.
I'm not sure it's impossible to consider politics, without politics. Even if just for the purpose of a thought experiment.
Maybe its the broadness of the word politics. As its extensive and easy to get hooked up on politics being old men farting in a room deciding on whether or not to rase the retirement age.
In that case I understand what your saying, so if we sent children to colonise another planet and these children miraculously had no understanding of prior generation or the world they'd come from we would soon see a system form akin to politics most likely archaic but would continue to evolve and would govern the lives of generations, this colony would most likely (if they survive) go on to create science, maths and build systems to interpret the world around them and all this governed by politics.
The way i like to conceptualize it, is that governance is independent from politics. Politics is meta governance.
Technically politics refers to the whole of it, but let's be honest, that's not particularly helpful here.