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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

... Are you sure about that?

I have had to hold down people violently seizing before to prevent them from seriously injuring themselves, and it took quite a lot of effort.

And there are studies that show:

Epileptic Seizures can fracture bones and rupture tendons:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/epi.14738

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3093233/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4061405/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2022/9186275/

So, I mean, while these more severe injuries are more rare... they can happen.

Now in this scenario we are assuming a person belted into an airline seat, so that would restrict movement somewhat and make falling over unlikely... but also the aircraft is experiencing extreme turbulence.

Evidently weakened bones are a common side effect of long term use of many anti-epileptic drugs as well... seems like there are tons of reports of epileptics fracturing bones and rupturing tendons from either a seizure itself or collapsing.

... Am I missing something here?

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so epileptic seizures can cause severe musculoskeletal injuries, including tendon tears and fractures, but these cases are extremely rare. Such injuries typically occur under specific conditions, involving additional risk factors like long-term medication use or underlying bone density issues. Most injuries associated with seizures are secondary, resulting from falls or other trauma during the seizure.

I think it's important we don't present information that implies this is a likely occurrence.

However i concede these cases are mentioned in the medical literature, so technically you're not wrong, therefore i retract my initial comment.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Thats fair, and I'll concede my initial presentation of the idea probably should have stressed a bit more that the more serious injuries are quite rare for epileptic injuries in general, though to be fair I was sort of just attempting to present anything within the realm of actual possibility that has any chance of plausibly occuring.

Sorry if I seem a bit edgy about it, but myself and my family members have, at a few points in our lives, had some pretty violent spasms, apparently much more uncommonly bad than the norm.

Fucked up neurology and fun misadventures with bad reactions to what were at the time experimental remedies ... and decades of doctors just straight up telling us that the events that traumatized us are impossible and cannot happen.

Quite literally my mom and her brother ended up having a neurological condition previously unknown to medical science 'discovered' in them, some totally novel genetic mutation. I don't even know if they ever gave it a proper name as unfortunately my family are also horrible pieces of shit who I don't talk to any more, but ... bleh.

But yeah, I am biased in terms of experiencing the more extreme end of this spectrum personally, I will admit that.