Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.

5237 readers

934 users here now

Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world:

Anti-science, inactivism, and unsupported conspiracy theories are not ok here.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

silence7@slrpnk.net

191

Alarm as German climate activists charged with ‘forming a criminal organisation’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 5 months ago by solo@slrpnk.net to c/climate@slrpnk.net

15 comments fedilink hide all child comments

The activists say all their protests were open, accountable and non-violent, and contested the use of such a draconian law against them.

“This is the first time in German history that a climate protest group that uses measures of peaceful civil disobedience is charged as a criminal organisation,” Herrman said.

“This charge is especially dangerous for democracy and the right to peaceful protest because the charge turns the constitutional right of protest, freedom of speech and political assembly into a crime simply because some laws were broken in course of civil disobedient protest.

“This charge is meant for mafia and organised crime. This charge criminalises every act of support towards the group Letzte Generation. This creates an immense chilling effect on all climate protests in Germany.”

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[+] Iceblade02@lemmy.world -22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Uh, yeah?

Civil disobedience can be illegal, and engaging in it can land you in jail. Many famous activists did end up in jail at one point or another for doing illegal things. It's a risk you have to accept if you want to engage in those protests, and if a little bit of jail-time is sufficient to deter folks from the movement, then they probably aren't particularly invested in the cause.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yes, but then you charge and convict for civil disobedience, not for forming a criminal organisation.

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 7 points 5 months ago

"Yeah, that guy who jaywalked SHOULD be charged with murder, jaywalking is a CRIME, PEOPLE!"

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Civil disobedience is not inherently criminal in the western world (that would be horrible) - criminal acts are. In this case, the civil disobedience involves crime, and the organization explicitly plans illegal action, fitting the bill of what that law prohibits.

If them being convicted based on those laws are a problem -change them. That's often part of the purpose of civil disobedience, highlighting problematic laws, swaying public opinion and getting lawmakers to change them.

[–] Drahcir_Rekattih@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 5 months ago

Civil disobedience is not a charge, because it is not the crime. Civil disobedience is when someone deliberately breaks a law that they believe is a bad law. For example if you think that the law against indecent exposure is unjust. Your act of civil disobedience might be to stand in front of city hall with a large group of like minded people and strip naked. If you get arrested and charged you will be charged with indecent exposure not civil disobedience. As indecent exposure is the act of civil disobedience you are making.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Forming a criminal organisation" is a charge they specifically invented to counter RAF terrorism in the 60s and 70s. Equating people who glue themselves to roads with that is just idiotic.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's always the case with laws (they can and will have unintended consequences). My personal opinion is that laws should expire unless explicitly renewed.

Anyway, if the law as it is written is a problem, it should be changed - not selectively applied. I really have a problem with the american legal system where law is primarily made in court and not in parliament.