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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 72 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

TLDR of Simplicius's article yesterday:

  • Ukraine is, all of a sudden, finding significant success in hitting Russian air defence with ATACMS for some reason. Generally, how it's gone is that Russia shoots most of them down, but one or two missiles in the salvo gets through and wipes out the S-400/300 anyway. The good news is that the Russian doomers now have something to complain about again; it was deeply harmful of Russia to deprive Rybar's habitat of bad news as it's a critical part of their diets. It won't really change the course of the war necessarily, but...
  • Ukraine is also taking shots at Russian early warning nuclear ICBM sites, which is, to say the least, concerning. There's been some news about Russia doing tactical nuke exercises, but Simplicius points out that in this kind of war where vehicles and troops are generally fairly distributed and not in massive parking lots all concentrated together, a tactical nuke wouldn't achieve much that a bunch of conventional explosives couldn't, outside of cities at least. And we both doubt that Russia is close to nuking Ukrainian cities. But there's an implicit threat there nonetheless, which NATO may listen to, or may not.
  • Putin's been talking recently about how Zelensky is now an illegitimate ruler given the lack of elections in Ukraine, which is interesting when combined with the information that Yanukovich was recently spotted landing in Belarus. To be fair, there are alternative explanations (many high-up figures were brought there and perhaps Yanukovich was just asked to tag along due to the whole "brotherly nations" thing) but even so.
  • There have been rumors/claims recently in the media that Putin wants to freeze the conflict along the current front lines and sue for peace; this has been denied by Peskov.
  • There's been a fair amount of activity in rooting out corruption in the Russian army. As I understand it, none of it is incredibly major - some bribes here, a little unauthorized action there, and some punishments for underperforming commanders. But it is still a lot, all at once.
  • As always, rumors of new fronts opening up. Obviously with the whole thing in Kharkov now, I find it much harder to ignore these rumors, but an invasion from Belarus still seems a little unlikely.
  • Speaking of Kharkov, the Russians are now issuing Russian license plates for the region and some officials are beginning to talk about letting Kharkov decide its future and all that jazz. Significant to be sure, but it doesn't herald any imminent attempt to seize all of Kharkov IMO, especially with Putin saying that they wouldn't try to capture it for the forseeable future and the fact that there's like a single Russian division there also indicates that the intent wasn't immediate, massive territorial expansion like with the beginning of the war. Ukraine is stripping men from both Donbass and also Kherson to face Russia up there. It looks like the Kherson front has been basically terminated, with whatever tiny gains Ukraine scraped together being abandoned and the water levels raised via upstream Ukrainian dams to prevent Russia from trying anything clever.
  • Generally the tempo of escalation and mutual threats between Russia and NATO continue, but this has been a theme for literal years now (I remember at least one Putin speech in like summer 2022 warning NATO), so, unlike the new front rumors, I mostly ignore these as just saber-rattling and behind-the-scenes activity that's being aired for effect until I'm given a big reason to believe them.

It's worth noting with the ATACMS thing that some of the big pro-Russian people on Twitter are stating that Ukrainian usage of ATACMS is through the roof and they've already fired an appreciable fraction of all the ATACMS ever produced (and, in typical American fashion, they make very few per year), and that Russian losses aren't so bad comparatively (I mean, they aren't, if I understand the number of destroyed systems versus the number the Russians have ever made/can make per year - which I may not understand as I'm not a military guy). Others can work out if this is accurate reporting or cope, just saying what I've saw. But Simplicius did sound fairly concerned about it in the article. Not very concerned, but fairly concerned.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

ATACMS is a relatively fast ballistic missile (top speed between Mach 3-4, so not hypersonic but quite close) fired from within short range (300km max range). This gives air defenses a very small window to respond and shoot down the missile. A 4-5 minute window from firing of the missile to impact at max range. Ukraine had lots of success with thisin the beginning, and are probably having success again now because they are firing a lot of them. Realistically the is little air defenses can go when faced with this type of threat. Even the most advanced air defence systems in Israel failed to shoot down Iranian ballistic missiles.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

Putin's been talking recently about how Zelensky is now an illegitimate ruler given the lack of elections in Ukraine, which is interesting when combined with the information that Yanukovich was recently spotted landing in Belarus.

It would be very funny if, with Putin's backing, Yanukovich would be declared the interim president of Ukraine. guaido

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The ATACAMs story should be dividided into two points, tne actual material effect on the war(if any) and the political/human factor i.e the current NATO aggression and escalation.

#1 I think Mercouris is very much on point today with his reponse, (here) with the consistent historical analysis so far, this is not the first time Ukraine had success with their missile strikes, such success was brief, but it wasn't the only time then so its obviously not going to be the only time now, in the end the trend is Russia probably has the means to continue to adapt and eventualy develop countermeasures.

The material cost of the war and the imbalance between Russia vs the west is still the key point. As he says, what is the expectation here, what is the end goal? The west can't make many more ATACAMs but Russia can surely make more S-400s. Ultimately there is nothing but a unicorn victory here, what is destroying a S-400 in Crimea going to achieve?

In fact Simplicius makes this point below while demonstrating he is being very inconsistent here.

Ukraine is poised to potentially prick Russia badly and now has the demonstrated capability to do so without Russia able to reliably neutralize the threats. If Ukraine gets the go ahead to use ATACMS and perhaps even the Storm Shadows, Taurus, etc., on Russian soil—not counting Crimea, which they’ve already done as they consider that not to be Russian territory—then all hell could break loose as Russia has not demonstrated the capability to stop the ATACMS reliably, and Ukraine could very well hit extremely sensitive targets that would put Russian command and control at a historic crossroads.

But why has Ukraine suddenly begun to demonstrate such an ability to hit important Russian objects? Answer: mostly because it has poured the remainder of its money toward asymmetric style warfare. You see, none of these attacks damage the real Russian army or change any of the calculus on the ground. But given that Ukraine knows that nothing it can do will change that, it has wisely decided to pour the remainder of its resources into drones and long range weapons capable of at least shaking things up in very asymmetrical ways.

The goal is clear: Zelensky and co. likely want Russia to respond with tactical nukes. For Zelensky—dictator of a country which has already brushed off the world’s worst nuclear reactor disaster in Chernobyl, and which cheerily irradiates its own land with Western supplied depleted uranium shells—a small nuclear incident is the tiniest of possible prices to pay for his regime being saved by subsequent NATO intervention.

Excuse me what? This is literaly pepe-silvia unironicaly getting lost on the narrative. I do not agree with this double thinking. The Russian army will simultaneously be thrown into a chaos and at the same time nothing will change in the course of the war?

You can't reach this conclusion, press both buttons here which is why I prefer the conservative stance here i.e this is a short term advantage that is not significant in the long term given the underlying material realities of the war.

#2 - Yet both of them agree that this is yet another step along the escalation/provocation ladder which yeah its undeniable. But who is realy going to waste time guessing where the famous "red lines" realy are? Unless you're paid to write articles or make YT videos about this panic, just keep betting on nothing ever happens.

The Russians should know the European general population is not ready to die for Zelensky, in fact the EU regularly goes back and forth, anyone remember Zelensky being shunned on the NATO summit last year? We know THAT meme?

Its hard to keep making guesses but I think it is still naive to assume NATO intervention is guaranteed at all... Its pointless to make long term predictions but Ukraine is a neoliberal project that is ultimately not really essential to EU/NATO. They can cut their losses and abandon Ukraine at any time specialy if the EU fascist parties start winning elections.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

if 1000 missiles can wreck ~100 russian anti air systems, shipping loads of planes will start making all the sense and will make this much closer to western doctrine. Meanwhile russian planes are completely useless at hitting patriots.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

1000 missiles can wreck ~100 russian anti air systems,

So far its closer to 1000:40. There are only around 1000 ATACAMs in existence and they aren't making any more. While they are doing damage to Russia's anti-air it is a temporary issue because they have plenty of replacement parts and are producing more.

shipping loads of planes will start making all the sense and will make this much closer to western doctrine

usa is only training 12 pilots and ukraine is only getting 6 f16s and the date keeps getting pushed back with 40 more being promised with no delivery date.

Meanwhile russian planes are completely useless at hitting patriots.

Russia has hit patriots a few times but they found it easier and cheaper to just make it so their aren't missiles for the patriot systems.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

Over a dozen patriot systems have been destroyed in Ukraine by Russian missiles

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've got some kind of thesis brewing about how imperialism doesn't allow for the idea of stopping or slowing down escalation, they can only conceive of victory and just get more frustrated when they don't win the way they're supposed to. Like, would Biden have to follow your leader himself for this thing to break? idk. I wish they'd just stop.

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

Hawks have infinite room to argue for taking the next step on the ladder. Each step normalizes all further steps, meaning the argument for the next step is exactly as easy as the last was.

Meanwhile, the cost of peace increases with every escalation.

If the logic for escalation held once, it is increasingly likely to keep holding.