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So, in other words, you want the Palestinians to just die, huh? I'm impressed. Not only are you throwing vulnerable Americans under the bus, but also those protesting Israel's actions, and the Palestinians themselves.
Be honest with yourself. You don't give a damn about the Palestinians or any brown people. You just want to use them to score political points. And as a brown person myself, I find that utterly despicable.
Source:
https://wapo.st/3wSKnDY
Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”
"Israel, Trump argued, needs his help. Street demonstrations for Israel get smaller crowds than his rallies, he said."
No, I don't. Biden isn't doing anything to stop it anyway. I want something to vote FOR rather than just voting against something I don't want. Biden is not earning my vote right now.
Trying to prevent more Palestinians from dying isn't something to vote for?
Look, I understand what you're saying. It would feel a lot better to vote for a candidate instead of voting against another one. But we don't have that luxury right now. We need to beat back the regressive rot first and foremost.
We cannot make progress while still so many accept the situation. This system will not allow change while the electoral college still exists. We need ranked choice voting and popular vote. Voting for Biden did not prevent Palestinians from dying, clearly. I'll never forget that we could have had Bernie Sanders as president, and we missed that opportunity due to greed.
If you vote like the Arabic community, you're throwing them under the bus?
Slate went to Dearborn, MI:
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Perhaps you should try to furnish actual data instead of meaningless anecdotes. Don't give me a handful of people and pretend they represent everyone.
It should also be noted that Arabs are not a monolith. Several Arab countries refuse to take Palestinian refugees, and are even on friendly terms with Israel. They opened their airspaces to allow the Iranian attack to be intercepted, and Jordan even helped intercept some.
My on the ground reporting beats your nothing. But here's some data for you. The Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Truth Project asked 36,139 Arab Americans and “allied voters” "Who are you voting for in November?" 2,196 people responded. Here are the results:
2% Trump
7% Biden
25% Jill Stein
20% Cornell West
19% Undecided
23% Uncommitted
3% Stay home
A poll published at the end of October 2023 found "only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for Biden in 2024—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020."
Then a couple weeks ago a NYT poll "found Trump leading among registered Middle Eastern, North African or Muslim voters in the swing states, with 57 percent saying they were planning to back him in November. Only 25 percent said they were supporting Biden."
Have an upvote for bringing receipts. It's noteworthy that the NYT poll mentions this however:
"However, Biden still held a lead over those voters who participated in the 2020 election, winning them 56 to 35 percent."
Regardless, I do concede your point. I'm interested in seeing how polls develop as we get closer to the election and the conflict continues. If Trump continues to open his mouth and express even deeper support for Israel and persecuting pro Palestinian protestors, the numbers may shift dramatically.
I hope that they do, at least.
I think things could change pretty quickly if a ceasefire is reached, and reached before another 35,000 people die. If this is still going on when the fall semester begins, it's going to be ugly.
A ceasefire is crucial. The only one who's against one from what I can tell is Netanyahu. The war isn't really doing anything, and I believe IDF commanders have said as much. The Israeli government has elements that believe they need to outright leave Gaza and just make sure there's a new governing body there that isn't Hamas. The Israeli people seem very pissed about the hostages still being hostage as well.
Combined with US pressure, I think we will see a ceasefire that looks to get the hostages returned and the violence to stop. Pressure is continuously building in that direction, and Netanyahu is obliviously making it more and more likely.
Let's hope there's a ceasefire and the beginning of aid and rebuilding. I think everyone left of center wants this to be over.
I appreciate the discussion we've had, and I'm sorry for being rude to you earlier.
I certainly hope you're right.
No worries! I get the frustration.
You're a good person, thanks :)