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Patrick Breyer, a staunch defender of digital rights, laments the Pirate Party’s exit from the EU Parliament as a blow to online privacy.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I partly agree, which is why I mentioned spending resources more effectively in the countries.

Pull effects are absolutely real, ignoring them is idiotic.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pull effects have never been empirically shown. You're repeating the right's talking points.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Have they been empirically disproven?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fair point, but that still gives me room to doubt the claim that pull factors have no impact on migration, I must appologize to my overly confidant commwnt earlier in the thread

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As I said: the theory of push- and pull-factors is outdated and not really taken seriously in academics anymore. Are you claiming that you know reasons for migration better than academia?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To be frank, no, I don't claim to understand migration factors better than experts.

But if that theory is no longer seen as credible, I wonder how academia explains migration factors.

For me it isn't good enough to just say that the theories are wrong, I need to know what factors they believe causes migration instead.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Alright, so push/pull factors does infact exist, but we don't know what they are.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Did you read the article? O.o

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes?

It talks about how the classic push/pull factors are way less important than culture and language.

To me, denying the push/pull concept is dumb, I'll absolutely conceede that the main push/pull factors may not be as prominant as previously suggested, but the play a part.

The article gives examples of how people want to go to a place with very similar culture and language, and as an example of that the bring up that the vast majority of syrian refugees are housed in Turkey, not other European countries, this is only natural, Turkey is neighbouring Syria, sp naturally most refugees go there, Poland and Ukraina is a similar situation, brodering nations.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To me, denying the push/pull concept is dumb, I'll absolutely conceede that the main push/pull factors may not be as prominant as previously suggested, but the play a part.

This feel to me like a "feels over reals" situation.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That may be right, I see it more like logic reasoning, but I understand that said logic and reasoning is based on feelings and imagined emotions.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

It's actually not, since you treat it more like a non-falsifiable "common sense" situation, which actually excludes logical reasoning.