!asklemmy@lemmy.ml - ARE YOU A TANKIE? - informal poll results ~
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A ridiculous question. “Tankie” isn’t a term anyone self-identifies with, it’s mostly a term used by liberals to hurl at anyone to the left of them or anyone who agrees with western foreign policy. The survey results will be as meaningless as the term “tankie” itself.
Image description: A5 page, with various pie charts and text, indicating the results of an informal poll from lemmy.ml, full image text in spoiler
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ARE TANKIES TAKING CONSPIRING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BAD TIME ON LEMMY.ML ??
HEXBEAR.NET
DOES THE WORK FOR YOU!!
WE ASKED !asklemmy@lemmy.ml ARE YOU A TANKIE?
First stack of pie charts shows the yes / no split, highlights that the lemmy.ml yes responses made up less than half of the yes votes, hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml only made up a small portion, some hexbear-ians even vote no
second and third pie charts show the yes votes, and no votes by instance respectively
third stacked pie chart shows the yes / no split by instance, overlay-ed with the total yes / no votes
only top level comments were counted
tankies are closer than they appear
Deeply unserious
NDTS
full results / data
COUNTA of yes
@lemmy.ml = 10
@lemmygrad.ml = 5
@lemmy.world = 3
@lemmy.zip = 1
@hexbear.net = 3
@lemmy.sdf.org = 1
@lemmy.one = 1
Grand Total = 24
COUNTA of no
@lemmy.ml = 2
@lemm.ee = 2
@lemmy.world = 8
@lemmy.blahaj.zone = 1
@reddthat.com = 1
@ttrpg.network = 1
@hexbear.net = 4
@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl = 1
Grand Total = 20
taken from archived post https://archive.md/AAY1L
this was fun, thanks for the polling idea, Kristina (I spent too long on these charts because yours looked so spiffy, I hope you specifically are impressed lol), solidarity cleaning that data up, and general reminder people only half read anything before launching into a diatribe
tl:dr yes, tankies are totally conspiring to make sure you have a bad time on lemmy.ml
u can no more define tankie than you can define woke.
Woke: from civil right movement, someone who is weary of loyalty to the state and instead examines society/policy/politics himself. - in modern times used as slur against progressive and ecological conscious people by right wing people.
Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)
Don't know what your problem is defining both.
EDIT: Not to be confused with "I know exactly who a tankie is and who isn't - my definition is 100% correct" or even "there are exact boundaries and conditions to what a tankie is"
Its like "peace", " progressive", "right-wing", different people will give you different definitions, my point is, that there is a concept to which the word refers and different interpretations/ambiguities don't render the term useless simply by existing.
I guess this is because they were allies and the east block was more closely related to each other then most States today.
Edited out assumptions
I just think it's funny that capitalist states like the US or Israel fit your definition equally as well if not more so than socialist states like the USSR or the PRC. "Supports using state violence against civilians in certain specific circumstances" is such a vague definition that it could be practically applied to supporters of any state, it's so generic it's useless.
If you want a more accurate definition, just say "tankies" are Marxist-Leninists or supporters of AES countries. At least that makes sense and is specific. Less critical and derogatory though, which I suppose goes against the intention of the term.
"Hmm can't fool me Ivan, you're just presenting facts that prove your point and make me look foolish, aren't you?"
The dastardly tankie strategy of knowing what you're talking about before you start talking about it.
The Soviet satellites weren't actually independent by definition. That definition might need a little work but the gist is fine.
I assumed people would be smart enough themselfs to know that the term is directed at left wing entities.
My definition must be 100% correct and .ml and hexbear try to disprove it from every vector, people purposely ignoring the context and the rest of the comment, but Just stating "the term means nothing" without any arguments or evaluating further than "its like woke" appears to be a good argument to them...
Then my argument just is: "It means something" "its like >left-wing<" That should be equally appealing.
Edited for at least a bit less sassyness
Yeah, a bunch of people misuse both 'woke' and 'tankie' as just insults so both seem to lose meaning. Especially with politically charged words, I think leftists have a knee jerk reaction to being mislabeled a tankie and come to the conclusion that it is meaningless and not just misused.
Thr word tankie even has a wiki page
I think it's a useful term, saying authoritarian communist is just too wordy.