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[ā€“] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush, Obama, Trump. Take your pick.

ā€œMost progressiveā€ is not a high bar to clear. It's a reasonably fair claim that Biden has been more progressive than Obama, and definitely isnā€™t outrageous enough to justify ranting about crack smoking and traumatic brain damage.

[ā€“] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

ā€œMost progressiveā€ is not a high bar to clear.

and Biden still limbos way under it.

Biden forced the railroad workers to go back to work, violating their right to protest. That's ACTUALLY fascism. The government forcing people to work at a company for shitty pay so the shitty company can get more money

[ā€“] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The biden administration got the railworkers what they were asking for.

Its not his fault you cant read.

[ā€“] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And Obama broke the legal Occupy Wall Street protests and killed civilians in Yemen with drone strikes. So he takes the title instead? ā€œMost progressiveā€ is a comparative qualification, and he does not need to BE a progressive to take the title.

While I agree that the strike shouldnā€™t have been broken and that the rail workers should have the right to stop as much work as they control in order to make their demands heard, Biden also became the first president to walk a picket line during that strike and ultimately got the rail workers a deal that their unions all were reportedly happy with. He may not be everything you want, but he IS the most pro-union president of my lifetime. Again, not a high bar to clear. Recognize progress when it happens, even if itā€™s not your dream come true.

Furthermore, with all the terrifying examples of actual rising fascism that surround us right now, donā€™t muddy the waters with BS like that. It just makes you look like a troll.

[ā€“] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

ā€œMost progressiveā€ is not a high bar to clear

Yet Biden managed to fail anyway.

It's a reasonably fair claim that Biden has been more progressive than Obama

Nope. Neither fair nor accurate. Obama picked Biden to assuage the fears of white conservative Democrats and Biden is the exact same guy that he's always been. His age isn't much of a problem in itself, but his outdated policy positions and opinions are.

He entered politics before the invention of the walkman and he hasn't changed or acknowledged any of his mistakes since then.

definitely isnā€™t outrageous enough to justify ranting about crack smoking and traumatic brain damage.

For the reasons stated above, I beg to differ.

[ā€“] maniclucky@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You haven't actually commented on anything recent, just vague references to his non-presidency years (people are allowed to change). Nor have you shown that any of the listed presidents were more progressive. Your argument is "nuh uh". You claim he failed. How? You didn't even take the low hanging fruit of "Isreal" or "continued border bullshit".

Here, I'll start: nominated the first black woman to the supreme court. More low hanging fruit, but you've set the bar rather low. He's been doing quite a lot for the LGBT community, which is a pretty big reversal from his past.

See. Two sentences, one source, and now there's substance. Now. Refute me.

[ā€“] nomous@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[ā€“] maniclucky@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Shocking. What's the over/under on that person being a Russian troll?

[ā€“] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Pretty low, actually. Viking_Hippie is actually a pretty legit Lemmy contributor, despite having some utter garbage takes on American politics and making occasionally disingenuous arguments for them, as above. Pretty sure heā€™s Danish though, not Russian.

[ā€“] maniclucky@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Fair enough. A lesson in "not every bad take is Russian".

[ā€“] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[ā€“] maniclucky@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When I was doing my 2 second google search, I spotted the whitehouse.gov link (and it's what reminded me about Ketanji Brown Jackson), but figured the person I was responding to would mark that as biased.

Yeah there's been a few Lemmy or Reddit links that have had similar lists I thought I saved but couldn't find them. Had to default to that.

[ā€“] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 months ago

Yet Biden managed to fail anyway.

Oh good, I'm not the only one to say it.