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includes a translation of Putin's entire speech from yesterday Jun 14

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[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

The word "globalist" is pretty much exclusively used by Nazis as a dogwhistle.

[-] ZZZZedong@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Putin is not a nazi nor is it anything weird about calling them Globalist.

The last 2 years has shown us that the pro globalist sides are defending actual Nazis

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

There's definitely something weird about a guy whose base is very nationalistic (and not in the national liberation sense) positioning himself in opposition to "liberal globalism" when you and I know perfectly well that 'liberal' in that phrase can perfectly mean the f slur, and 'globalism' means NATO just as much as it means immigrants. Putin has sold this war domestically as a fight against western decadence, as though they're fighting a morally indecent society.

I'm not saying Putin is wrong to defend against NATO expansionism though, just to be clear, but you don't have to hand it to him.

[-] ZZZZedong@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This whole anti nato/globalist right wing red brown thing doesnt exist its just projection from neoliberals

Why whould you assume that it has anything to do with f slur or immigrants, do you think pro Nato people are pro immigrants or progressive or something?

Why do you (plural) assoicated anti nato with reactionary

Dont get me wrong Putin has reactionary views himself i just dont think we should be pearl clutching about the word globalist.

Z

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

It's not a red/brown alliance if the reds are all dead, genius. Putin is not your savior, he's just in a position where he's doing anti-imperialism as a result of his country being ostracized and excluded from participating in imperialism. I can't exactly call him an opportunist because he's not even genuinely trying to sell his government as progressive anyway. He's calling queer people in Russia extremists, and yeah obviously NATO demons have an even worse track record, but don't act like there's no reason for me to be skeptical of his angle when he calls his war a crusade against the globalists.

Just to make my point clear: NATO is even worse than Russia at all the things Russia is accusing them of being good at. NATO is more racist, more queerphobic, more reactionary than Russia. But Putin has to bat for a base of nationalistic chuds in his own country, which is why he attacks the West for accepting immigrants, pinkwashing, and not respecting tradition or whatever. He's weirdly doing the right things while saying all the wrong things.

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

This whole anti nato/globalist right wing red brown thing doesnt exist its just projection from neoliberals

the alignment with Dugin proves this incorrect

[-] ZZZZedong@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

Neolibs are giving weapons to neo nazis

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

obviously i don't disagree on that, but i also want to highlight that dugin's influence should not be understated

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

It obviously isn’t, seen by the widespread usage of the term across the political spectrum

The attempted rebranding of globalist into jew is a very recent fringe phenomena. Globalism has been the explicitly stated ideology of Liberals for decades, they self-proclaim as such

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

I repeat, show me anti-globalist leftist lit pre-2016, I've never heard the term used leftistly. It was alex jones fodder for decades, not sure why we should use it instead of imperialism/liberalism.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Peep the signs in the protest of WTO in Seattle. This shit has been around since probably before you were born. Is everyone at these protests a Nazi?

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

The word globalism doesn't appear in any of those pictures.

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago

Globalization isn’t globalism, come on now

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

We should start using swastikas too, since those were used before Nazis.

I've literally never heard the word globalist before fascists started using it, so it can't have been that common.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

Liberals often talk about “globalization” in the economic neoliberal capitalist sense, and in the 90s it was very common to be pro-globalization and anti-globalization. It was what the famous Seattle protesting WTO was all about, the anti-globalist vs. pro-globalist split in the new post soviet left

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago
[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

English isn't my first language but they seem interchangeable to me in most geopolitical contexts

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

They are similar in meaning and derived from the same root, but globalization is a much more common word. That's the reason fascists adopted the term globalism: because globalization was used by leftists.

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