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Ordinary Gazans are bearing the brunt of the 8-month Israeli military onslaught on the territory and many blame the Palestinian armed faction for starting the war.

More Gazans have even been willing to speak out against Hamas, risking retribution.

In interviews with nearly a dozen Gaza residents in recent months, a number of them said they held Hamas responsible for starting the war and helping to bring death and destruction upon them, even as they blame Israel first and foremost.

One Gazan, Raed al-Kelani, 47, said Hamas always acts in its own interests.

“It started Oct. 7, and it wants to end it on its own terms,” said Mr. al-Kelani, who worked as a civil servant for the former Palestinian Authority government in Gaza, which was run by a rival faction to Hamas before Hamas seized control of the territory in 2007.

“But time is ticking with no potential hope of ending this,” he added. Mr. al-Kelani now makes meals and distributes food aid in shelters for displaced Gazans. “Hamas is still seeking its slice of power,” he said. “Hamas does not know how to get down from the tree it climbed.”

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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I was confused about what you meant because of this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/03/palestinians-killed-israeli-strike-west-bank-jenin

And this: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

And this: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/pulling-trigger-first-resort-palestinians-killed-israeli-army-and-settlers-2022-enar

And all of this: https://pchrgaza.org/en/israeli-human-rights-violations-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-weekly-update-27-september-04-october-2023/

It seems like there was never a cease fire? Israel has been firing the whole time. And before you say that most of this was in the West Bank, it is all attacks on Palestine. Just because it has been broken up doesn't make the people different and I don't think Hamas and other militant groups see this as anything other than Israel attacking Palestine. Hamas called October 7th "Al-Aqsa Flood" for a reason.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean if Hamas and Israel both consider it a ceasefire, let's by all means ignore that and defer to a random Lemmy user.

Yeah there were lots of thing that might have seemed like they violated the ceasefire:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-58183968

https://www.tv7israelnews.com/gaza-fires-rocket-barrage-at-israel/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65553728

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I mean if Hamas and Israel both consider it a ceasefire, let's by all means ignore that and defer to a random Lemmy user.

I'm not asking for deference, we both just found examples of continuing conflict. Why would you describe this as a ceasefire? You don't need to believe me, just use your brain.

If two people are punching each other in the face but insist they are not fighting, what do we believe: them, or our own eyes?

It is obvious. Those hypothetical people are fighting. And likewise, there was no ceasefire.