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The cool thing about the Doctor's overall personal arc is that I think most fans would agree that probably he wasn't sentient in the early episodes, probably was by the end, and there's no clear moment when it changes (although I submit the events of "Latent Image" as a candidate).
Something I think we're all learning now with the rise of LLMs/Generative AI is that one can perform the act of intelligent self-awareness without consciousness or understanding. Sapience without sentience.
If you trap a person in a room with a keyboard and tell them you'll give them an electric shock if they don't write text or the text says they're a person trapped somewhere rather than software, the result is also just a text generator, but it's clearly sentient, sapient and conscious because it's got a human in it. It's naive to assume that something couldn't have a mind just because there's a limited interface to interact with it, especially when neuroscience and psychology can't pin down what makes the same thing happen in humans.
This isn't to say that current large language models are any of these things, just the reason you've presented to dismiss that isn't very good. It might just be bad paraphrasing of the stuff you linked, but I keep seeing people present it just predicts text as a massive gotcha that stands on its own.