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Are offline updates going to be the future? (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by voracread@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.world
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I use PCLinuxOS as my primary Linux OS. They are a bit conservative to adapt new updates until they are sure of stability because of rolling nature. KDE is still at 5 there. Heard about Neon and wanted to try KDE 6. I find that they have adopted Windows style approach to updates where we need to reboot to apply the updates and we cannot do anything on the system while the updates are processing. Recently managed to install Fedora because I heard that their EFI is secured or something and can survive clobbering by Windows updates in a dual boot setup. But they also seem to have gone with offline updates.

Are offline updates necessary due to them using SystemD or is the Linux world in general moving in this direction?

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[โ€“] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And also with the atomic/immutable distros, the switch is practically instant, so it's not even like it forces you to watch a spinning circle for 20 minutes when you turn off your computer. You reboot and the apps all start clean with the right library versions.

It's rare but I've seen software trash itself because the newly spawned process talks a different protocol and it can lead to either crashes or off behavior that leads to a crash eventually. Or it tries to read a file mid update. Kernel updates can make it so when you plug in a USB stick, nothing happens because the driver's gone. Firefox as you mentionned. Chromium will tolerate it mostly but it can get very weird over time.

The risk is non-zero, so when you target end users that don't want to have to troubleshoot, it's safer to just do offline updates. Especially with Flatpaks now, you get those updated online and really it's only system components you don't care to delay updates taking effect

If you're new to Linux and everyone told you you can just update and no reboot, and you run into weird Firefox glitches, it just looks bad.

[โ€“] voracread@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

In my case it is just for the present session. At least let me play Solitaire while the updates are running. And I always shutdown at the end of my day or end of updates hence uptime is not an issue for me.