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Joe Biden has moved to correct a “great injustice” by pardoning thousands of US veterans convicted over six decades under a military law that banned gay sex.

The presidential proclamation, which comes during Pride month and an election year, allows LGBTQ+ service members convicted of crimes based solely on their sexual orientation to apply for a certificate of pardon that will help them receive withheld benefits.

It grants clemency to service members convicted under Uniform Code of Military Justice article 125 – which criminalised sodomy, including between consenting adults – between 1951 and 2013, when it was rewritten by Congress.

That includes victims of the 1950s “lavender scare”, a witch-hunt in which many LGBTQ+ people employed by the federal government were viewed as security risks amid fears their sexual orientation made them vulnerable to blackmail. Thousands were investigated and fired or denied employment.

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[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I never said it wasn’t genocide. Try and pay attention. What I said was that there are people jumping on the genocide bandwagon for the purpose of trying to interfere with an election. Hence- “genocide.”

And if you honestly believe this isn’t happening…. I’d have you take a closer look at the 2016 and 2020 elections and foreign agencies influence campaigns.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I never said it wasn’t genocide.

So its genocide, but talking about it in a way that makes the current President look bad means you're not human?

And if you honestly believe this isn’t happening….

The problem with Americans is that they literally cannot break out of the Two-Party mentality. Since Joe Biden is endorsing genocide in Israel, anyone that suggests Biden might be bad for doing so is implicitly supporting Trump. And since Trump is also endorsing genocide, you can twist yourself into a knot suggesting that anyone espousing anti-genocidal views is somehow pro-genocide by the transitive property of "You must be a MAGA Russian bot".

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No. The problem here is that you’re refusing to separate my point for the point you’re wanting to argue.

I’m saying there are SOME bad actors here. SOME people are here in bad faith to propagandize the far left’s agenda into a push to not vote against Trump. And it’s not helped by the fact that you then try and weapon use my words into some all out attack on anyone that disagrees.

Dude… this is an extremely old and very tired attempt to move the goalposts. And it’s not going to work.

And it’s made an even bigger problem by people like you that like you that also like to build the “some means all!” straw man like you are here-for the purpose of shutting on the entire narrative in order to defuse the point via distraction.

This isn’t going to work anymore.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m saying there are SOME bad actors here. SOME people are here in bad faith to propagandize the far left’s agenda

The far left's... anti-genocide agenda?

Dude… this is an extremely old and very tired attempt to move the goalposts.

Its too hard to score goals when the goalpost marker is "Be against genocide". Better move it to "Be against Republicans advocating genocide".

This isn’t going to work anymore.

For once, you're right. Fascism as bipartisan politics is going to destroy the country.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. The far lefts anti-genocide agenda. Not all agendas are bad you know. Wait… you know this, right?

EVERYONE here in good faith- is anti genocide. Hate to break it to you.

So again, you’re not making the argument you think yore making and you’re really only telling on yourself.

Keep digging deeper. Maybe the exit is down there somewhere.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

EVERYONE here in good faith- is anti genocide.

Until you walk into the voting booth, sure.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Who? Where?

Sure that was a thing to some* extent. Where is your evidence the people you disagree with here and now are bots.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

lol…. Not playing this game with you, bud. Nice try though. Very subtle.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sounds a lot like something a bot stuck in a corner might say.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Riiiight… the old, ‘if you don’t entertain my endless barrage of bad-faith questions, I get to play Uno reverse on you!’ rule.

Maybe that shit flew on trash-talk Facebook pages 10 years ago.

There’s nothing “bot” about anything I’m saying kiddo. However, support for those that think not voting is somehow democratic… SCREAMS Russian shill if you ask me.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You've the time to reply, why not make the point instead of running away.

You trash talk bud, not me.

Sure, aside from talking shit and not backing it up, calling people bots with zero reasoning, and a blanket stance that anyone who disagrees with your stance is a bot.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It’s fun to paint everything in the same color when that’s the only color you wish to see, isn’t it? But you don’t seem to understand that I’m all too familiar with this bullshit.

And the fact that I’ve explained it several times now/ and you keep pressing the same argument illustrates the fact that I was right all along. I know how you work. I’ve argued with dozens of you before- and you’re all the same.

So I’ve learned now not to exercise that futility and instead just let you show everyone who you really are.

Thanks for helping me out with that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

Riiiight… the old, ‘if you don’t entertain my endless barrage of bad-faith questions, I get to play Uno reverse on you!’ rule.

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