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Biden pardons thousands of US veterans convicted under law banning gay sex
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Edited: I wrote a longer rest response but I feel like my long responses will distract from the main topic of the thread. So I'll put some in spoiler text, remove the rest, and that's all I'll say on that. This an emotional topic and can go on forever I'm sure.
It won't happen if the liberals pressure him enough. That's the thing. He's already made some concessions in rhetoric scared of the changing narrative. We can have both Biden and a stop to a genocide with enough public pressure. The election isn't until November. I don't believe a genocide is the only choice as long as we live in a democracy, can build a movement, and he's a rational candidate (which I think he is).
Btw it's not just principles.
People are fucking dying right now dude. It's going to affect the Middle East, millions of refugees will head to surrounding countries, and then it will affect Europe. They will probably turn more fascist as a result, just like from their current immigration crises from Syria and Africa. Plus, now Israel is trying to start wars with Lebanon and Iran, and drag us into WIII. Plus it's causing shipping problems in Yemen. Not to mention the Israeli Super PAC that funds conservative politicians that we allow to run rampant in our country for some reason. It goes on and on. This stuff does affect us whether you like it or not.In addition, this is a huge escalation over previous decades. It's another nakba. Almost the whole population is pressed South against Egypt right now. Northern Gaza won't be habitable for decades. It can't get much worse. It's too close for them to nuke, and they've taken out most of the hospitals and seem to have triggered a catastrophic famine. They're killing so fast, they're already looking to start another war before they finish this ethnic cleansing campaign so Netanyahu can stay in office.
And still vote, I'm not saying don't do that. I will. I'm just saying I get why other people complain about him. I'm sure they'll still vote down ballot, and would even vote for him if he changed tact on Israel.
I get that Project 2025 is scary, but so is Project 2029, and 3033. We shouldn't have to accept that we'll be an evil empire forever, always choosing between two flavors of genocidal maniac, forever cursed to enact horrible terrors on the international stage, awaiting the inevitable drop into fascism. We can use this moment to get the President to stop bowing to a foreign state that's been troublesome to us for decades. Even Reagan had to smack Israel down.. He's been slowly improving, and I get why other people would use this moment where a possibly sway-able Democratic President is in the office and has a looming election as leverage.
As long as you’re voting, this isn’t directed toward you. I get that people are upset. It’s upsetting what’s being done. But people need to know how upsetting it’s going to be if they don’t stop fucking around.
This is serious. We’re in danger of losing our entire democracy.
I never said everyone was. And there is no need for insults. But just because all aren’t, doesn’t mean some aren’t. And the fact you’re here trying to argue against this shows you’re not here in good faith.
You actually did when you claimed 6 unknown persons were bots without evidence or even their names. Ie. "I don't know them but they're bots because they have the opposite opinion I do"
I never said bots don't exist, I said you can't in an evidence* vacuum just say someone is a bot and try to end the argument with that.
Saying you're acting stupid and calling you stupid are two separate things. I don't think you're stupid, I think you act stupidly but I do enjoy the multiple reports to the mod team so they remove my posts, fun way to "win" an argument.
When you need to misquote people in order to have an argument….
You don’t have an argument.
And the reports are only for the purpose of ensuring we’re playing by the same rules. I don’t get to call you what I think you are- and you shouldn’t either.
Additionally, lying about why your comments removed doesn’t really work when the mod logs show exactly what you said.
We can be done here. You’re about as bad faith as it gets when you can’t argue without putting words into the mouths of others.
Seriously dude? You made a new account?
Did you seriously think that was going to work?