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One House Democrat said he spoke for others in the wake of the president’s stunningly feeble debate performance on Thursday: “The movement to convince Biden to not run is real.”

The House member, an outspoken defender of the president, said that House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer should consider “a combined effort” to nudge President Joe Biden out of the race.

Crestfallen by the president’s weak voice, pallid appearance and meandering answers, numerous Democratic officials said Biden’s bet on an early debate to rebut unceasing questions about his age had not only backfired but done damage that may prove irreversible. The president had, in the first 30 minutes of the debate, fully affirmed doubts about his fitness.

A second House Democrat said “reflection is needed” from Biden about the way ahead and indicated the private text threads among lawmakers were even more dire, with some saying outright that the president needed to drop out of the race.

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Running someone fresh that appeals to this American Idol-esque popularity contest = good.

What if no such person exists?

Then you just lose and Trump becomes President by default. Do you have confidence that Democrats can rally behind an actually named person? And if so, what is the name of that person?

I'm no Democrat. But I wouldn't consider "replacing Biden by somebody" to be a serious option. You need to say "Replace Biden by SPECIFIC NAME HERE". Otherwise you're just throwing away the election before it even begins.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Are you asking that because you believe nobody is lining up wanting to be President, or that there is no candidate who fits that bill? Because I can think of half a dozen who both fit the bill and have obvious political ambitions:

  • Whitmer
  • Newsom
  • Buttigieg
  • Booker
  • Abrams
  • Warnock.

All far more youthful; all far more charismatic. All who have enough national name recognition and would trounce Trump in debates and contrast of age alone.

The question to me isn't, "who else," it's, "Will Biden voluntarily step down and endorse such a person at the convention?"

The polls prove this could work:nobody likes either candidate, people want new faces, and age is a problem. Just give them another choice on the Democratic ticket and it's game-over for the convicted felon. If I could I'd be money this gives better odds than sticking it out with Biden.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm not into Democrats, so I honestly don't know half the people on that list.

Newsom needs to start resigning today to make the election. I think he's off on technical grounds. And others have pointed out that he's lower than Trump on a lot of polls. Buttigieg is homosexual and sad to say it, homophobia is on the rise. After the party's experimentation with Hillary Clinton / Kamala I'm not sure that its a winning strategy. I know middle-aged white guy WASP is annoying, but its a trope for a reason.

In all cases, Trump will deny the other pick as a "loser" and refuse to debate. You'll be going into the election without ever getting on National stage. Its a huge set of risks.


I'm not necessarily against it. But I also don't think Biden's performance was worse than Trump's last night. A lot of this seems to be just Democrats getting nervous about themselves and their own choices.

Whitmer

I see she's getting some press. I wouldn't be against her, but I also don't know much about her in general. Can she hold up against the Republican hate machine? We all know that Hillary couldn't do it, so what makes Whitmer any better or more prepared?

Biden did hold up vs Trump. Better or worse, he did prove himself. I recognize that people are worried about "newer, older Biden". But there's severe risks in switching a candidate now, especially as vetting likely hasn't been completed by either side yet. (Democrats need to vet to figure out how Republicans are going to attack her). Its a complete mystery.