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President Biden’s policy agenda is incredibly popular, much more popular than his opponent’s. But Biden the man? Not so much.

The question now is whom to blame for the approval gap between the president and his agenda: voters, the media or Biden himself.

Democrats have long argued that their policies are more popular than those of Republicans. In a recent blind test conducted by YouGov, that was unmistakably true. The polling organization asked Americans what they thought about major policies proposed by Biden and Donald Trump without specifying who proposed them. The idea was to see how the public perceived ideas when stripped of tribal associations.

Biden’s agenda was the winner, hands down.

Of the 28 Biden proposals YouGov asked about, 27 were supported by more people than opposed them. Impressively, 24 received support from more than 50 percent of respondents.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

At least a majority of trump supporters, and probably a small fraction of non-voters.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's wild. Like, to think all it takes is a handful of Twitter bots to instantly sway like half the population of a country.

Say, why doesn't anyone else try this? Just set up some bot accounts to spread misinformation in favor of Biden, and it should be just as effective right? I mean, it can't be that people have different beliefs and different material interests or anything like that. Everyone who disagrees with you is simply so stupid that they just instantly believe anything they see. Shouldn't you be able to use that to your advantage?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say or even imply people support trump because of Russian bots, I'm saying that trump supporters are largely stupid or uninformed, and trump is putin's puppet and repeats Russian propaganda.

Everyone who disagrees with you is simply so stupid that they just instantly believe anything they see.

It's actually kind of funny that you're being incredibly reductive while accusing me of the same. Like I said, not everyone and not everything. Trump supporters, however, are largely dumb enough to swallow Russian propaganda specifically because they've been primed for it.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

My question specifically included the words "actively swayed."

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It's harder to get people in favor of something than it is to point to something/someone and convince them they are an enemy.

This is a truth known for a long time. I think it is linked to our tendency to lose aversion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion

Both parties are speaking to us about what we are going to loose it the other side wins. For Biden he is claiming (probably rightly based on the recent Trump supreme court decisions) we are going to loose democracy if Trump wins. Trump is claiming we are going to loose America, the real America, if Biden wins. What real America is depends on who he is talking to.

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

It is not just bots but an infrastructure of heavy investment in mass media that mislead americans. Fox News, NAEBC, Tucker Carlson, the NRA, Breitbart and then you can add in the bots on social media.

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump received 74 million votes.

The NRA, which has proven to be infiltrated by russian assets has about 5.5M members so that's almost 7% right there. https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/wyden-unveils-report-on-nra-ties-to-russia-findings-show-nra-misled-public-about-2015-moscow-trip#:~:text=New%20evidence%20that%20NRA%20insiders%20may%20have%20violated%20U.S.%20sanctions,pursuit%20of%20personal%20business%20opportunities.

In 2021 there were about 20M users of Parler which amplified russian propaganda: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/01/report-fbi-catches-another-russian-made-fake-news-site-targeting-us-voters/

There's probably some overlap, but with just two instances we've seen how over 20-25M right wingers (1 out of 3 trump voters) are subject to russian propaganda.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Amazing. So because the NRA met with Russian weapon manufacturers to try to get rich, it means every one of the 5.5 million NRA members has been swayed by Russian propaganda. Absolutely zero of them were legitimately just gun nuts who were always going to vote Republican because they oppose gun control, 100% of the members were swayed by Russia the moment someone on the board met with a Russian arms dealer.

I guess it becomes very easy to show that a large number of Americans have been influenced by Russia if you're allowed to play like 6 degrees of separation like that. Why don't we count anyone who ever used Facebook too, while we're at it? What percentage of Americans bought a coke in 2020, while Coca-Cola was doing business in Russia? This goes way deeper than I ever imagined.