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What scientific discoveries greatly weakened religion and the case of God ? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 4 months ago by bullshitter@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He designed you then made your design better. He formed you then made your forms better. We created them and strengthened their forms.

That's not how any of this works. None of these require the process of biological evolution, they're clearly written as the islamic equivalent of intelligent design. Those describe some wizard creating something and then working to make it better, which is the opposite of how biological evolution works. Relying on "evolves" having several different meanings (evolves (strengthens in its form)) is not an argument that is made in good faith. The process of biological evolution is not described in any religious literature, including yours.

And Allah has created from water every living creature

I assume you bolded this because it's important somehow. It's not, though. It's a vague allegory that has no predictive power, is not science, and has nothing to do with the process of biological evolution.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Religions don't teach science. However, in Islam, we are obligated to learn science amongst other subjects. The verses you and I quoted do NOT conflict with evolution.

Many scientists believe that life on Earth originated in the ocean, and that all life was aquatic for the first 90% of Earth's history. Some scientists think that life may have begun near deep sea hydrothermal vents, which are chimney-like vents that form when seawater mixes with magma on the ocean floor, creating superheated plumes. The chemicals and energy from these vents could have fueled chemical reactions that led to the evolution of life. For example, a 2017 study found tube-like fossils in rocks that are at least 3.77 billion years old that resemble microorganisms that live near hydrothermal vents today.

Furthermore, using the DNA sequences of modern organisms, biologists have tentatively traced the most recent common ancestor of all life to an aquatic microorganism that lived in extremely high temperatures — a likely candidate for a hydrothermal vent inhabitant!

But like I said before, there's nothing under the sun that I can tell you that will sway you.

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Those verses don't conflict with evolution. They don't conflict with anything, because they don't mean anything. What scientific advancements happened because of those verses? None, because science advanced to the point where we understood how evolution works, and some religious people copied their homework and went looking for meaning after the fact. If those verses meant something, there would have been centuries of progress on evolution before Darwin. There wasn't.

There's plenty of things you can convince me of, you just have to provide evidence, which you haven't done.

What could I say that would sway you into realizing that your religion is as silly as the rest? If the answer is nothing under the sun, then you're using a cheap rhetorical trick of projecting your intellectual shortcomings onto other people in order to make yourself feel better about them.