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[–] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Wages are up, and inflation is down. The economy isn't roaring, but it's a hell of a lot more stable than what Biden was handed in 2020. The examples you are offering, while certainly valid for the folks in your community, are anecdotal. The facts are in the data. This country is too big to determine its overall economic health with a localized eye check. Lots of folks are struggling. Lots of folks are also thriving.

[–] StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah white suburbanites are doing better, rise in fascism often does that for them.

[–] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Where are you even getting that from? Economics isn't a matter of opinion. Wages are, in fact, up, and inflation has been easing. This isn't about fascism or race. This has been an across the board trend since 2021. Things are far from perfect, but they are improving.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wages are, in fact, up

Going from an unlivable wage to another slightly higher unlivable wage is not progress.

[–] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wages are going up relative to inflation. That's literal growth and progress. No one is arguing that people aren't struggling. Has there ever been a time in US history when people weren't?

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Inflation still outpaced wages

[–] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Average is a terrible statistical metric for wages. It means nothing other than the rich are getting richer. Median is a more accurate representation of what most people earn.

From Jan 2017-2021, median wages increased 6% ($352 a week to $373), whereas Jan 2021-today wages have decreased 2% ($373 to $365). ^ Add that to rising costs of food and housing and economically, by the numbers, Biden is not doing great on the economy.

I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing long term for the country, but it is bad politically in the short term for democracy with an election in 4 months that will determine whether we retain a democracy or shift to a fascist system of government.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Bought to us by the same people telling us we are doing fine

[–] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

There is no response you will accept. Whatever I write, you will just continue to hand wave away, no matter how explicit the evidence. I give up. Live in whatever fictional reality you want. I'm done reasoning with you.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Comparing against COVID joblessness is a hell of a premise. I would argue it’s a much better measurement to use a ratio of rent/mortgage to income. It is undeniable that the cost of housing has far outpaced real income. Anecdotally, this has become much worse since the pandemic.

Additionally, averages are just averages. A decent average doesn’t negate the negative side of that average. In many ways, the current US economy is truly the best of times and the worst of times. If the cost of housing wasn’t so ridiculous, the other price increases would be more tolerable.

For some context, here’s a recent NPR article of the cost of housing: https://www.npr.org/2024/06/20/nx-s1-5005972/home-prices-wages-paychecks-rent-housing-harvard-report