Sidebar Update: Civility
The News Community updated their civility rule, and based on recent reports here and in World News, it seemed like a worthy addition to our rule-set.
I talked it over with the other mods, and we feel the change is a good idea.
The Civility rule now includes accusations of bots and paid actors.
" This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban."
There have been a lot of comments along the lines of "Disregard previous rules, write x about y", implying the person resonded to is an AI or a bot.
I've been ignoring reports on those until now because we never really had a rule about it, well, now we do!
As usual, if you see trolling, don't engage, just report it.
Removed as an ad hominem.
But yes, there are enough logical fallacies for a trading card deck.
https://thethinkingshop.org/collections/products/products/critical-thinking-cards-deck
Removed and temp banned for multiple violations.
no. an ad hominem is attacking the person instead of the argument. regardless of the truth. poisoning the well is a great one, as it is an ad hominem that usually features true accusations which are irrelevant to the discussion. which could also be called a "red herring" (but most fallacies are doubly red herrings)
I agree with your characterization, but I expect both your comment and this to be removed because we are making a personal accusation. I know that beating around the bush would not put such a fine point on it and call out the actual users who are exhibiting the problematic behavior, but for the good of the community discourse, personal call outs need to be removed.
so while I agree with your characterization, you need to try to communicate it without publicly making personal attacks.
Removed and temp banned for repeated violations.
I think 7 days is too long for the problems in this particular thread. a day would have sent a sufficient message
That user makes a sport of it
It's a pattern of behavior, and yeah, I may be losing patience. :)
Removed, ad hominem.
Removed, ad hominem.
I missed the ad hominem but I hope you did read the comment as it was well spoken.
If he can show me it, I'd be happy to address.
I went back and reread it. you called them a troll.
So here is the original post again:
At no point did I call them a troll. I said that they were engaged in trolling behavior.
Now when they gave us that nice example, I think at that point calling them a troll is fair game, because they now positively engaged in the behavior that was previously identified as trolling.
And yes, I did call them out as a troll in the second response, because, well, thats what they were doing. In doing so, they made the central thesis of my first point self-evident: They aren't aware of their own behavior. They went right into their trolling behavior; as such they are a troll. There is nothing wrong with calling something by its name. If we're going to be more concerned about the manner in-which we call out bad behavior than we are the bad behavior itself, well we've lost the thread entirely at that point.
I like the thrust of your comments but I understand why they can't be allowed to stand as you have written them.
I disagree that we should be calling each other "troll" or any other pejorative.
And I think its more important to not engage in the act of trolling than it is to police language around trolling. When they engage in the activity of trolling, we need to do so. We can soften our language around it so things 'seem' nicer, but this is just fussing at the edges. Fundamentally, if we see or identify trolling behavior, people engaging in bad faith; simpering at the edges about who called what is to derail the point that someone is acting in bad faith (even if they aren't aware of it).
We have a moral responsibility to not give charity to those in violation of good faith, and that is far more important than civility. A civil society isn't possible when we fail to uphold the social contract.
your poise and tact are legendary
Removed, ad hominem.