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Rabies and psychopathy are diseases. The prognosis is terminal in both cases, and death would be a mercy. Rabies is also far less harmful than psychopathy, because it results in less collateral damage. After all, psychopathy is responsible for almost every evil you can see in the world today from famine to poverty and war.
Again, there is an argument against the death penalty but protecting psychopaths ain’t it.
No they are not both diseases. psychopathy is not caused by infection or is it communicable. They have no basis for comparison. Also do you know anything at all about rabies progression? Its about the worst disease you can have if you have gone passed the point of no return to treat it.
Not all diseases are communicable or infectious. Psychopathy is a serious neurological pathology that robs humans of anything resembling humanity. That makes it a hell of a lot worse than rabies to my mind, but of course that’s debatable. Regardless, I’m not sure how ranking one horrible affliction against another makes much difference for this analogy.
I can agree with that. Its just not a good analogy because again they are just not really comparable things.
Do you formulate your opinions based on reasons you can articulate or is this just a fleeting thought you’re having?
I already expressed it. rabies is a communicable disease. What most people think about with diseases. Diseases that can spread and cause an epidemic. Not like a genetic fault or from personal trauma. They are just not analogous. Or do you want to know about rabies in general from my earlier comment. Someone had a good writeup but I can't find it but this has it listed pretty well if it remains untreated and one dies from it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/rabies-symptoms-1298793#toc-acute-neurologic-period
Are you… trolling right now, or do you genuinely not understand how analogies work?
This is sorta awkward as i feel I should be asking you this. Analogy is about comparing things that are analogous or that share a relevant property. Does your definition differ?
You know what, I’ll help you out. Why not. We put down rabid dogs for two reasons. They pose a danger to everyone around them, and we can’t cure them. Psychopathy has these same relevant features. If you want to defeat this argument, your goal should be to attack the dog-human component of the analogy, not the disease component. Why? Well, because even if I granted that rabies and psychopathy do not share the relevant features of being incurable and dangerous, we would just be back to square one, when I point out that:
If you follow my advice and instead attack the human-dog comparison, you stand a better chance of defeating this analogy. Spoiler alert though, your efforts will fail. This is a really good analogy.
To succeed you’ll need to abandon your focus on moral justification and turn instead to the practical matters of administering a government. Why? Well, because despite your own feelings on the matter the vast majority of people have a strong intuition that evildoers should be destroyed, and you’ll have a better chance convincing them to get rid of the death penalty by pointing out that killing dangerous psychopaths is impractical rather than immoral.
You’re welcome. Don’t bother responding, because I blocked you.
thats fine but for others I never argued anything but that it was not a good analogy. You have blocked me so its to late but if you had used something better to begin with to argue your point then I would likely have had no part in the convo. that being said early on I said mercy killing. it sounds from your ending you view killing psychopaths as mercy killing but from their viewpoint they are not suffering. those with rabies from their own viewpoint are suffering greatly.
I don't know, I think presuming you know the reasons and effects of things has led to some pretty harmful outcomes over the years.
You’re right, none of us know anything. We can presume no facts, nor make even the most salient observations. All social science is false, and nihilists like you are right about everything.
Individuals can, "collectives" cannot.
A lot of it
I am not a nihilist.
Your words say one thing, but your other words say another.
Where did I say another?
Ex Falso Quodlibet. Your moral reasoning is inconsistent, which means that you’re either a nihilist or an idiot. I thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt.
It may be, but not for the reason you claimed. I do not care about the lives of most animals, such as chickens, etc. Do you care about the lives of animals? Is it okay to kill them? What about torture them?
From my belief framework I suspect I could find inconsistencies in your morality, but I don't really see the point in trying to force squeeze your moral views through my belief framework- because I suspect your morality informs your beliefs and vice-versa- just as my own.
Do you care about the lives of sardines? Is a chicken much different? How is that not arbitrary?