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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., has issued a dire warning to her party about the chaos that could ensue if they succeed in pushing President Joe Biden off the ticket. And she criticized Democrats who’ve given off-the-record quotes that suggest the party has resigned itself to a second Trump term.

In an Instagram Live video on Thursday, Ocasio-Cortez warned liberals that a brokered convention could lead to chaos, in part because she says some of the Democratic “elites” who want Biden out also don’t want Vice President Kamala Harris as the nominee in his place. 

“If you think that is going to be an easy transition, I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and these elites who are pushing for the president not to be the nominee also do not want to see the VP be the nominee,” she said. 

Ocasio-Cortez claimed none of the people she’s spoken with who are calling on Biden to drop out — including lawmakers and legal experts — have articulated a plan to swap out the nominee without minimizing the serious legal and procedural challenges that are likely to ensue. 

Ocasio-Cortez also highlighted the racial, ethnic and class divisions that appear to have formed between the majority of those pining to blow up the ticket — led mostly by white Democrats and media pundits — and those elected officials who feel they and their constituents have too much at stake to upend the process at this point and so are willing to do the work to re-elect Biden-Harris. She alluded to this cultural divide in her video when she spoke out against anonymous sources expressing a sense of fatalism on behalf of Democrats about what might happen if Biden remains on the ticket: 

What I will say is what upsets me is [Democrats] saying we will lose. For me, to a certain extent, I don’t care what name is on there. We are not losing. I don’t know about you, but my community does not have the option to lose. My community does not have the luxury of accepting loss in July of an election year. My people are the first ones deported. They’re the first ones put in Rikers. They’re the first ones whose families are killed by war.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Are people here finally understanding the consequences of removing Biden? Will I continue to be berated for asking for evidence of the claims around him?

[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

If Biden is on the ballot, I will vote for him. I also want him off.

But, frankly, we need to scare the pants off the Democratic party if there is going to be any chance they change their behavior.

Where are the five great younger candidates they have have been fostering to be ready for something like this? Nowhere, because they keep putting all their effort into one entrenched candidate and then force them through no matter what. Look how disastrous it was when they kept pushing Hillary when Bernie was doing so well, she lost. Now so many people are saying "no" to Biden, what should we expect will happen?

If history is our judge, we're going to lose, whether we can afford to or not. Because even if we supported Biden right now with solidarity, a lot of people are going to not vote for him, whether we like it or not.

Would it be better if the Democratic party didn't see how unhappy people were and we all pretended it would be ok and told them we would just vote for any candidate they give us no matter how bad?

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

What could possibly go wrong when the higher ups in the party completely sabotage the candidate and use the results of that as justification for telling him to get out?

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

People have understood. Biden is a sure loss, he literally cannot win. So the next best option is Harris. The question mark is, as AOC points out, will these wealthy donors realize that or will they sabotage the party.

Biden still needs to go. No question. Biden attempting to campaign will put Trump into office.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Biden is a sure loss, he literally cannot win"

Since you have your crystal ball handy, can you let us know next week's winning lottery numbers?

[–] MarciaLynnDorsett@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

did you ever get them lottery numbers?

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden is a sure loss

Bullshit. This was bullshit yesterday, it was bullshit a month ago, it was bullshit at the beginning of the year, and it was bullshit in 2020.

I wanted Bernie to win. I wanted Biden to decline seeking reelection. I wanted Biden to take a harder stance on Gaza, I want the democrats to be better at messaging. However, there is scant evidence that Biden is likely to lose, and this claim that it's a "sure" thing is absolutely fucking wrong because it's far from certain. Fuck you, fuck every single one of you liars pushing this absolutely shit unsupported narrative.

Every single poll that shows Biden losing shows young people voting for Trump, and that's a clear indicator of unreliability. Every other method of prediction put Biden in the fucking lead, but conviently no one's talking about that. I fucking wonder why?

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You might not like to admit it, but voters do not like Biden. The reason Biden finally stepped down now is because devastating polling just came out of Michigan, ontop of all the other polling you want to deny is there.

Trump is not gaining votes, Biden has been losing them. Trump already has basically all the votes he's going to get.

voters do not like Biden

I ain't arguing if people like him or not! If so, good; I hope everyone hates his guts but that's not the question being asked, is it? The question is "How likely is Biden to win?" and I'm saying your answer of "0%" is unsubstantiated.

devastating polling just came out of Michigan

See, that's a decent argument (assuming it's true) of Biden having a disadvantage. It still doesn't justify your stated position, but at least it's relevant.

Trump is not gaining votes, Biden has been losing them. Trump already has basically all the votes he's going to get.

This makes sense, fits roughly with what I've seen, and is consistent with my view of things if I modify it to put more weight in the polling data.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

All those polls of him losing are within the margin of error, not to mention that polls are, while not completely unreliable, not completely trustworthy, either. Remember when all the polls showed Trump losing?

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Show your work or delete this bullshit.

[–] Russty@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I didn't, and frankly none of what I've heard was particularly surprising or concerning, and my decision of who to vote for would never be effected. Biden was a low-energy flubster, Trump told obvious lies, the sky was blue, the ocean is salty, and bears shit in the goddamn woods. Everybody stop the presses! Bear shits in woods! Forest Rangers contemplate the potential necessity of eurhanizing bear due to woods-shitting incident.

The last few weeks have been a fucking clown show.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I didn’t and didn’t need to. I’m voting for his administration. Not him. I’m voting AGAINST Trump. Not FOR him.

[–] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That's great and that's what every committed Dem voter is doing. Given that the race is more about stopping Trump than anything else, wouldn't the best way to approach that be to back the candidate who is most likely to beat him?

If you watch the debate, it's abundantly clear that Biden is not that candidate. Things like optics and vibes shouldn't matter in an election, especially when the other side's policy positions are as abhorrent as Project 2025. Unfortunately, when it comes to courting votes in battleground states, they do matter.

[–] HiddenLife@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, Harris is articulate and assertive. She is clearly a better choice. The public wants someone sharp and focused. While I believe Biden is a capable president, public image affects votes whether we like it or not. Currently, his image has many Democrats feeling discouraged, though they would likely still vote for him. However, I think Harris can change that once she starts campaigning.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

And I’ll back whoever they put up against Trump. I don’t care about Biden. I care about not having Trump.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

It isn't about who you vote for. It's about who everybody else is voting for.

The Democrats were never worried about the "vote blue, no matter who" crowd. They're worried about independents, and the polls were saying that Biden would lose. If there were enough voters who would vote for anybody with a D next to their name, this wouldn't even be a question.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago

The MAGA trolls here pretending to be leftists won’t ever see the reason in this.