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National polls go beyond meaninglessness and into actual harm. The national popular vote does not elect the president, as we all should know too well. My vote in Illinois is worth far less than someone's vote in Wyoming. Your vote in California is worth far less than someone's vote in Alaska.
Unless a national poll weights responses based on state, and based on the electoral college results from states, it is completely misleading.
And my vote in Oklahoma.....oh fuck it who are we kidding lol. Meaningless. I still do it though.
In a similar situation. Theres a zero percent chance trump doesn't win my state by at least 10 points. Still gonna vote though.
He'll see the popular vote count and it will annoy him. He was mad about it even when he won!
Well yeah, that would be a disappointment to anyone, he lost in a popularity contest by 3 million votes to Hillary fucking Clinton. He absolutely deserves to feel bad about it and I hope he remembers every day that he wouldn’t have won if it weren’t for the electoral college.
Both of you should be asking how your vote could be made meaningful outside the scope of your current evaluation.
This sub hates the following message. That's why it comes today instead of yesterday.
Focus on loyalty to ideology, not party affiliation. Left ideology has been most consistently expressed by the Green Party platform (Sanders watered it down, twice). They've lots of problems. But, they're incredibly loyal to the platform.
If the Green Party gets 5% of the general election vote then they'll be on every ballot in '28. The Democrats can't silence the platform choice in primaries as they did twice to Sanders. This would place an incredible amount of pressure on Democrats immediately and be passively sustained for four years.
In a purple state I'd vote Democrat POTUS for harm reduction. In a blue state it'd depend on the situation. But, in a red state, I risk absolutely nothing by not for voting harm reduction.
We're the only ones completely free to act for the long term. The blue wave thinks we're too stupid to understand nuance. Political parties don't deserve your loyalty. We need be loyal to each other, especially when we're hated for our choices.
This message is hated because it is false and naive and helps Republicans.
Just saw Oklahoma has one of the lowest voter turn outs in the nation. With Tulsa and Oklahoma city it's more progressive than most people realize. We've just got to get out and vote and convince those around us to do the same. I know we have the numbers to win local elections.
Probably because you're not allowed to vote if someone from your party isn't running. We have a county sheriff race that was just decided by drawing a name out of a hat. Dems didn't get a vote.
Lots of downticket races can be swung by a popular presidential nominee.
That said, Oklahoma's awash in O&G money and its state bureaucrats are notoriously corrupt. At some point, the sheer volume of gerrymandering, vote caging, and criminal disenfranchisement needs to be addressed. Simply shouting at people to "GO VOTE!" when they're getting handed broken machines and defective butterfly ballots and threatening robocalls isn't helping anyone, least of all the candidates they're hoping will win.
Nah, not meaningless. Any swing away from the degenerates will dispirit them.
Good for you. It may not mean anything for national elections but it could make a difference in a local one
This sub hates the following message. That's why it comes today instead of yesterday.
Focus on loyalty to ideology, not party affiliation. Left ideology has been most consistently expressed by the Green Party platform (Sanders watered it down, twice). They've lots of problems. But, they're incredibly loyal to the platform.
If the Green Party gets 5% of the general election vote then they'll be on every ballot in '28. The Democrats can't silence the platform choice in primaries as they did twice to Sanders. This would place an incredible amount of pressure on Democrats immediately and be passively sustained for four years.
In a purple state I'd vote Democrat POTUS for harm reduction. In a blue state it'd depend on the nuance of the situation. But, in a red state, I risk absolutely nothing by not for voting harm reduction.
We're the only ones completely free to act for the long term. The blue wave thinks we're too stupid to understand nuance. Political parties don't deserve your loyalty. We need be loyal to each other, especially when we're hated for our choices.
There is no way the greens can get to 270. You're suggesting progressives split the Dem vote.
This is a sure way to lose for Dems and progressives.
The way to move the party left is with money and primaries not the general election.