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Republican calls for ‘civil war’ if Trump loses
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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The oath they swore at MEPS, and if they did not take that seriously, I say have fun losing.
So you are claiming that if republican types would feel strongly enough to split from the country, and the military (which is a majority republican) would be willing to kill people with the same ideology because they did an oath long ago? And you actually think there would be a winner in a civil war?
The military isn't just a bunch of Trump loving extremists. It's just as divided as the rest of the population, but they also are very strict about upholding the constitution and democracy. If people of their same ideology threatened the United States' peace and democracy, most active duty members would likely be willing to fight against them
You are making the assumption that they would agree with you poltically and that the GOP is the one that would be breaking the rules and being the cause of the peace being disturbed. Which side wants a revolution? Whos revoultuion is currently happening?
What? You're the one who suggested the military is Republican and wouldn't fight fellow Republicans starting an uprising. And this is in response to a comment by the GOP senator calling for civil war.
I'm not making any assumptions, I posted a link to a poll showing the military is politically diverse, and I said they are generally pretty strict in following their beliefs in freedom, democracy, and the constitution. I'm really not sure what you're trying to imply.
And I dont think showing that some are not republicans means they would be willing to attack fellow americans for a number of reasons. Also I think its presumptuous to think that people that didnt want to be part of the country would be incorrect or extremests.
You're not incorrect for not wanting to be part of this country, but you are incorrect thinking that a violent overthrowing of a democratic process in this country is not against the freedoms of our citizens, the democracy the military swore to protect, or the very basis of our laws, the constitution.
I'm sure some of the military do hold far right fascist ideals and may be sympathetic to any seditious movement or even want to join them. But they would be extremists for starting a civil war, and they would not be the majority.
Also the military would not be attacking fellow Americans. The former Americans would be trying to overthrow the democratically elected government, and the military would be protecting American citizens. When you declare civil war against the United States, you are no longer a citizens and don't have the same rights as a citizen. You are then an enemy of the United States, and by extension, our military.
The issue is the constitution is now toilet paper, and it doesnt mean anything anymore. So to say that the people that want to go back to when it was a real thing are the extremists is a frame shift and an ideological difference.
I would agree with you that many would gleefully mow down waves of american citizens, but I dont think it would be all or probably even more than half. And its not that it would be a declared war its just that states would start ignoring federal laws and degrees. Its also just an unwinnable war and everyone loses.
Do we actually know the military is majority Republican now?
(I grew up hearing that, but have since learned a lot of repeated things from childhood was a lie.)
A bit outdated, but according to a poll in 2020 it was pretty much a reflection of the larger population
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/
Small sample size, but there's one pro-Trump civil war if no Trump guy I have actually seen in person, and he only recently left the military. So yes, I imagine there would be at least some military defectors.
Though I think the logistics would be more complicated in defecting, since thanks to constant instant communication and trivial travel, state identity is far more diluted than it was in the 19th century. Particularly in the military where they move members around like crazy. So any given military unit is unlikely to be all-in on civil war across the board, and hopefully less likely to defect if it means turning on their own unit.