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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 25 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I get the idea here, but is there a suggestion that this was planned or that someone consulted such a playbook in the moments after he'd been shot?

It feels more natural to perhaps say this is a typical authoritarian response to escaping death, or tie it together in a way that that doesn't seem so conspiratorial.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Like shit, if someone tried to kill me and failed then I'd probably raise my fist in defiance too.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Why? The smart thing to do would be to cover yourself and get to safety. There could have been another shooter somewhere for all he knew. If this was done by smarter people, he'd be dead when he stood up like that. But adrenaline and his enormous ego got the better of him.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Exactly. Maybe this is just a human response unrelated to authoritarianism, but maybe one which projects a strength authoritarians like to see.

[–] Zeke@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He reads and follows Hitler's book religiously. There is also rumor and a federal investigation into whether he was actually shot because he is not missing any portion of his ear where he was supposedly shot based on a photo of his ear taken 2 days later. Gun shots don't magically heal within 2 days.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

If I almost got shot at a rally I'd probably fist pump too. At the bare minimum to show everyone I'm not dead. Fuck Trump but this feels insane.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't even see how his reaction was a "typical authoritarian response". I think there are only a few reasonable responses after being shot. Defiance is a pretty reasonable response. Anger, fear, running away, and mental breakdown are all also reasonable responses.

I detest Trump, but his immediate reaction actually seemed like the best reaction that a presidential candidate could have. I don't think it was planned and I do think that his reaction was genuine. I think it's very hard to have a calculated response in a situation like that.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

That's really the gist of what I was saying. This article feels like it has the implications all wrong. My first take was definitely not the clearest way to communicate my thoughts. Thank you for expanding on it.

I think he didn't do it for any reason relating to political philosophy, but it may resonate harder with authoritarians than others.